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AVIO = JUNK

 

 


X-M_J_Wise
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May 20, 2001, 9:31 PM

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I am the video editor for my high school's broadcast club, and we bought an Avio at the beginning of the year, and it has been nothing but a headache. Just minutes ago I got a call from the club moderator to let me know -- surprise -- that the Avio has trashed another project on its drive! Let me go further and outline a SHORT list of its many faults:
-- Attempting to record and add audio to scene so SEVERELY messed up the Avio that it had to be sent BACK TO DRACO. The screen developed a sever jitter (yes, from recording audio!) and COULD NOT BE FIXED with a software reinstall.
-- Adding titles to certain scenes cause the Avio to lock up hard when playing back the final product.
-- Avio RANDOMLY decides that it doesn't like a video source and refuses to record from it, claiming it can't find a video signal! (Considering our usual source equipment is a SVHS tape played back on a Panasonic AG-456, this is especially sad, given the industry standard nature of this equipment)
-- Avio has LOST several projects or pieces of them, making them unplayable. The call I just received was a series of farewell interviews to the seniors and guess what! The Avio has decided to LOCK UP whenever Record to VCR playback is attempted on the project, even though it was FINE when I turned off the machine Friday.
-- The Avio noticeably drops frames at least once for about every 5 minutes of captured video. It has dropped more than 60 frames (2 seconds) with a sad amount of regularity.
-- Draco's included trackball is a PILE of CRAP. It's a terrible old piece of junk left over from the late 1980's...so much for the beautiful and stylish Logitech Trackman that is ALWAYS advertised with it.
I have really had it up to here with Draco and this worthless Avio has made our oftentimes flaky Videonics MXPro video mixer look reliable! Draco will NEVER get another order from our club -- EVER. AVOID THE AVIO. Thanks for nothing draco.


X-aaron
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May 20, 2001, 11:49 PM

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You obviously don't know how to operate the AVIO. I've gotten almost a year of flawless operation from my machine. Before you rant and rave about how awful it is why don't you make sure you've read and understood the instructions


X-Brian
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May 21, 2001, 2:04 AM

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I use a Quazar SVHS camera, one step down from a 456, with no TBC. I use it with the Avio to produce Wedding video's without any complaints. Frankly the Avio has given new life to this old camera. I've used slo-mo effects, negetive effects, multi layered them with other visual effects that come stock with the machine, and timed it all with music for a truly stunning two hour (on average) production. The only thing bad I can think of to say about it is, my new OS hasn't arrived yet.This thing is amazing, to itself, and my bank book.


X-Ron_Marcroft
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May 21, 2001, 11:38 AM

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M.J. Wise
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you on this one. But working with students and video I've found that some of the student shot video does not contain a continuous control track. The students will stop the recording, play it back for their friends. Leave a space and start recording again. This leaves lots of holes in your video sync track. This will reck havoc on any computerized editing system. Video loves a continuous control track when editing. I've also frequently see very hot audio trying to be dumped into the AVIO which causes distortion.
These two things will cause the editing system to have problems.
I have used the AVIO for over a year we very few problems when the students have been instructed how to correctly shoot video. The AVIO is a great editing tool for students. It let's them easily create the master piece of their dreams.
: I am the video editor for my high school's broadcast club, and we bought an Avio at the beginning of the year, and it has been nothing but a headache. Just minutes ago I got a call from the club moderator to let me know -- surprise -- that the Avio has trashed another project on its drive! Let me go further and outline a SHORT list of its many faults:
: -- Attempting to record and add audio to scene so SEVERELY messed up the Avio that it had to be sent BACK TO DRACO. The screen developed a sever jitter (yes, from recording audio!) and COULD NOT BE FIXED with a software reinstall.
: -- Adding titles to certain scenes cause the Avio to lock up hard when playing back the final product.
: -- Avio RANDOMLY decides that it doesn't like a video source and refuses to record from it, claiming it can't find a video signal! (Considering our usual source equipment is a SVHS tape played back on a Panasonic AG-456, this is especially sad, given the industry standard nature of this equipment)
: -- Avio has LOST several projects or pieces of them, making them unplayable. The call I just received was a series of farewell interviews to the seniors and guess what! The Avio has decided to LOCK UP whenever Record to VCR playback is attempted on the project, even though it was FINE when I turned off the machine Friday.
: -- The Avio noticeably drops frames at least once for about every 5 minutes of captured video. It has dropped more than 60 frames (2 seconds) with a sad amount of regularity.
: -- Draco's included trackball is a PILE of CRAP. It's a terrible old piece of junk left over from the late 1980's...so much for the beautiful and stylish Logitech Trackman that is ALWAYS advertised with it.
: I have really had it up to here with Draco and this worthless Avio has made our oftentimes flaky Videonics MXPro video mixer look reliable! Draco will NEVER get another order from our club -- EVER. AVOID THE AVIO. Thanks for nothing draco.


X-Geoff
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May 21, 2001, 1:57 PM

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I have to agree with Aaron on this. If you read the manual and follow the instructions you will have no problems. I have had an Avio for well over a year and it has always performed reliably and done all that I have expected of the machine. if you load in crappy instructions what else would you expect to come out.


X-David_Slone
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May 22, 2001, 12:52 AM

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: -- Draco's included trackball is a PILE of CRAP. It's a terrible old piece of junk left over from the late 1980's...so much for the beautiful and stylish Logitech Trackman that is ALWAYS advertised with it.
I would be happy to send you a new trackball if you give me a call
: I have really had it up to here with Draco and this worthless Avio has made our oftentimes flaky Videonics MXPro video mixer look reliable! Draco will NEVER get another order from our club -- EVER. AVOID THE AVIO. Thanks for nothing draco.
Sorry you feel this way. I have researched your problems in our database and have not found your listing. I could be looking under the wrong name. Please feel free to call me and I will do what I can to help satisfy you. It isn't our intent to have unhappy customers. My name is David Slone and my direct line is 303-801-1045. I will be out of the office tomorrow but back in on Wednesday.
David Slone
President
MacroSystem US


X-MJ_Wise
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May 23, 2001, 2:07 AM

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Well, I actually got to see how the AVIO mangled the senior video Monday morning, and it would have been more amusing if it hadn't happened at such a bad time. Basically, during many of the clips, the video would freeze and the audio would get stuck in a 3 second or so loop. The effect was really quite funny, in one interview a senior was asked what she remembered most of our school, and the Avio froze in a loop with her saying "cafeteria food....prom....cafeteria food...prom." over and over ad infinitum. This led to such a severe lock the only thing left to do was unplug it. I wish I would have shot video of the avio doing this. The AVIO choked on several clips in that project in the same manner. I never did figure out WHY exactly, but removing the offending clips cleared things up, although it chopped the presentation in half. Heck, I wish I had shot video of all the times it messed up. Then I could digitize and put it on the internet to show how the supposedly faultless avio continually blew chunks for us. The worst ever was the unfixable jitter that it developed so that we had to send it back to draco, a total software reinstall could not fix it. Wonderfully enough, it developed this jitter exactly 10 minutes before we went live on air with our broadcast. Everything we tried to record onto it jittered, from any video source in any format. What caused it? All that I know is that I recorded some audio onto it from a CD player, and then everything played back on it jittered. If anything told me the Avio has a few inherent weaknesses, that was it
To address others' concerns:
The source video in question was on a continuously recorded stretch of SVHS tape with no apparent flaws, and the AVIO actually had little trouble with the tape. The audio was far from hot. (it probably needed a boost if anything.) And yes, I did know what I was doing. This was a mere 4-minute project, god knows what would happen should I have attempted anything longer.
Exactly one other person than myself had access to the machine so it's not like somebody was coming in and screwing with it. It's so easy to write off bad user experiences as, well, the problem of a BAD user, given that the Avio has by far given us the most trouble this year is telling. It managed to out-glitch a perennially unreliable Videonics MXPro, and as any disgruntled Videonics user will tell you, their products are not known for their reliability.
David: I don't care to share the school name on this board, and it's really unimportant, as I graduate saturday. If they feel it necessary to contact you, they will. Frankly, I don't give a darn anymore. Oh, and one more thing, stop buying surplus trackballs and ship the good ones right to start with to your customers. Don't wait for them to call you on it.
Also, last year, our editing was done 'out of house' (on a PC) by a kind friend of ours, and he never complained about audio that it was too hot or video with unsteady or unreliable sync. I've digitized videos on my own computer with club footage, and my computer doesn't choke on it with a plain jane vanilla TV card.
I really, really wish the Avio could have been a dream, and considering how well-recommended it was to us by many, many video 'pros', it's a shame it turned out to be such a disappointment. Most of the 'pros' recommended it because they had good experience with the original cassie, and probably thought the next generation would be even better. Well, for us, it wasn't. I admittedly was quite angry when I submitted my original message, but after the continual troubles we've had with it throughout the year, from its do-nothing VGA port (which I am aware is supposed to do nothing, please don't tell me that) to its crappy trackball, I had really had it with an unreliable and unpredictable machine. While the AVIO is not totally junk, it's certainly not the spotless machine it was and is made out to be.
Caveat emptor.


X-Bear
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May 23, 2001, 8:33 PM

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I have had my avio since last fall and never had a problem. I do editing with it and often lay in additional sound tracks. I became disapled last year and the Avio has literally given me a new lease on life. I get to see the world one tape at a time. I have worked on tapes from Utah to China and created the Music video that won the Horizon award at the National Country music Association competition in Pigeon Forge This year. I am waiting for my DV upgrade and that will open even more vistas to me. I have never had a problem not to be a smart ass but are you reading the instructions and following them properly. I was fortunate to have a great salesman and he spent a whole afternoon with me helping me get up and running. Maybe this made the difference.


X-Brian_Liz
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May 25, 2001, 10:22 AM

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Hi MJ: We agree with everything you say except for the dropped frames. never had this problem. We are very surprised with how few problems you have had. We are on record with a huge list of complaints with the Avio and not one has been addressed yet. We were among the first users in Australia and we know what we are doing. The fact that there are so many different accounts of the Avio's reliability from around the globe only confirms the inconsistancy of this software and yet no real attempt is being made to address the basic problems. Instead they make a big hullaballoo about firewire upgrades at ridiculously high prices.
We have worked out a fix for almost every one of our problems without any assistance from Draco. Stick with it. Despite its faults there are too many good features to just write it off and if enough of us complain and keep advising friends not to buy they might listen. Our latest fault find was a great number of characters in the sub-menu "S" do not work. Also try the logitech infrared mouseman. It is superb
I am the video editor for my high school's broadcast club, and we bought an Avio at the beginning of the year, and it has been nothing but a headache. Just minutes ago I got a call from the club moderator to let me know -- surprise -- that the Avio has trashed another project on its drive! Let me go further and outline a SHORT list of its many faults:
: -- Attempting to record and add audio to scene so SEVERELY messed up the Avio that it had to be sent BACK TO DRACO. The screen developed a sever jitter (yes, from recording audio!) and COULD NOT BE FIXED with a software reinstall.
: -- Adding titles to certain scenes cause the Avio to lock up hard when playing back the final product.
: -- Avio RANDOMLY decides that it doesn't like a video source and refuses to record from it, claiming it can't find a video signal! (Considering our usual source equipment is a SVHS tape played back on a Panasonic AG-456, this is especially sad, given the industry standard nature of this equipment)
: -- Avio has LOST several projects or pieces of them, making them unplayable. The call I just received was a series of farewell interviews to the seniors and guess what! The Avio has decided to LOCK UP whenever Record to VCR playback is attempted on the project, even though it was FINE when I turned off the machine Friday.
: -- The Avio noticeably drops frames at least once for about every 5 minutes of captured video. It has dropped more than 60 frames (2 seconds) with a sad amount of regularity.
: -- Draco's included trackball is a PILE of CRAP. It's a terrible old piece of junk left over from the late 1980's...so much for the beautiful and stylish Logitech Trackman that is ALWAYS advertised with it.
: I have really had it up to here with Draco and this worthless Avio has made our oftentimes flaky Videonics MXPro video mixer look reliable! Draco will NEVER get another order from our club -- EVER. AVOID THE AVIO. Thanks for nothing draco.


X-Dale
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May 28, 2001, 1:58 PM

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I've had my Avio for about one year now and have had NONE of the problems mentioned by the original poster, in fact no problems at all after installing the most recent software upgrade. Have done many hours of editing (mostly with DV footage). I would say that my Avio is one of the best and most reliable video-gear investments I have ever made, but even more impressive to me has been my experience in dealing with the people at Draco. I would add that in this world full of scam artists and fast-buck-makers, this company is very unusual in their high degree of integrity and commitment to satisfy their customers.
I am not associated with or compensated by Draco/Macrosystem in any way...just my personal impressions & comments.
Dale Sexauer
President
World Harvest Ministries Inc.
wrldhrvst@aol.com


X-damian_martin
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Aug 22, 2001, 1:09 AM

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How much is the Avio company paying you to say all this completely FALSE information?