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Christmas special?

X-Banned_Bob
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Nov 12, 2002, 2:35 PM

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This was posted on the CF-BBS:
"We are getting a early Xmas bonus from MSUS. There is a Xmas software sales buy one get another one Free. Check it out WWW.ODY.NET go to Odilicious. Starting today till Xmas."
I looked, and it was actually at
http://www.ody.net/msus/11-11-02.htm .. but it really is true. I read something here from David Slone earlier today, but when I came back to check on more details, it was gone. Maybe Hal thought it was too good to be true!
Oh well ... is there anything software MSUS sells that's worth 1/2 of the asking price?
Do you think MSUS will be able to survive selling the software at such tremendous discounts?
Tune in next week ...

X-BigAl
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Nov 12, 2002, 7:50 PM

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Hey Bob,
do you actually do any work or does touring the various boards (that still allow you access) slagging off MS, MSUS their products, prices, service and whatever else you can think of take up all of your time.
Al
: This was posted on the CF-BBS:
: "We are getting a early Xmas bonus from MSUS. There is a Xmas software sales buy one get another one Free. Check it out WWW.ODY.NET go to Odilicious. Starting today till Xmas."
: I looked, and it was actually at
: http://www.ody.net/msus/11-11-02.htm .. but it really is true. I read something here from David Slone earlier today, but when I came back to check on more details, it was gone. Maybe Hal thought it was too good to be true!
: Oh well ... is there anything software MSUS sells that's worth 1/2 of the asking price?
: Do you think MSUS will be able to survive selling the software at such tremendous discounts?
: Tune in next week ...

X-Banned_Bob
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Nov 12, 2002, 8:52 PM

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> do you actually do any work or does touring
> the various boards (that still allow you
> access) slagging off MS, MSUS their products,
> prices, service and whatever else you
> can think of take up all of your time.
Boy, there sure are some ungrateful slobs around the boards.
I work hard to be sure you know about the wonderful benefits bestowed upon you by MSUS -- since David Slone and MSUS will no longer even post a "hello", much less try to help anyone here -- and all I get is grief from the likes of you.
If you have anything constructive or informative, go ahead and share it, but don't just show up to criticize others. Get a life, will ya?

X-XL
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Nov 12, 2002, 9:33 PM

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: This was posted on the CF-BBS:
: "We are getting a early Xmas bonus from MSUS. There is a Xmas software sales buy one get another one Free. Check it out WWW.ODY.NET go to Odilicious. Starting today till Xmas."
: I looked, and it was actually at
: http://www.ody.net/msus/11-11-02.htm .. but it really is true. I read something here from David Slone earlier today, but when I came back to check on more details, it was gone. Maybe Hal thought it was too good to be true!
: Oh well ... is there anything software MSUS sells that's worth 1/2 of the asking price?
: Do you think MSUS will be able to survive selling the software at such tremendous discounts?
: Tune in next week ...
They must have a lot of software on their shelves.
XL

X-BigAl
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Nov 13, 2002, 7:04 PM

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: > do you actually do any work or does touring
: > the various boards (that still allow you
: > access) slagging off MS, MSUS their products,
: > prices, service and whatever else you
: > can think of take up all of your time.
: Boy, there sure are some ungrateful slobs around the boards.
: I work hard to be sure you know about the wonderful benefits bestowed upon you by MSUS -- since David Slone and MSUS will no longer even post a "hello", much less try to help anyone here -- and all I get is grief from the likes of you.
: If you have anything constructive or informative, go ahead and share it, but don't just show up to criticize others. Get a life, will ya?
Bob,
To be fair MSUS run their own BB where FG, David and sometimes other staff members post regularly to answer questions etc. I think that is reasonable, expecting them to monitor and answer questions on other BB's is probably unreasonable they are running a business.
I am not ungrateful, nor am I a slob and infact I do have a life. You must admit almost everything you post is negative and I for one use these boards for their intended purpose and not to read posts from people with an axe to grind ie. ex dealers who once thought and regularly posted positive comments about Casablanca products and how cool some of the new software is and now are no longer dealers (circumstances unknown) and funnily have nothing but negative comments for the products, doesn't say much for their integrity does it? Of course this may not apply to you Bob, as far as I know you never were a dealer of MS products. The fact is if their was one system that worked for everyone their would be only one system, the others would disappear. The Avio to my knowledge was originally intended as an entry level machine which was and still is very easy to learn to use and there are a lot of people using the Avio to earn a good living. PC/Mac matched with the right software have become very powerful editing tools but they are also not without problems which often the average user doesn't have the knowledge to solve, at the end of the day each to his/her own.
How about this, I will stick to constructive and informative if you will and perhaps a couple of other guys who once seemed genuine in their praise for MS products might like to join us.
BTW I didn't just show up I have been around a year or three, my life just doesn't allow the time to post here regularly ;-)
Cheers,
BigAl

X-Travis_aka_Gomer
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Nov 14, 2002, 12:59 AM

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Hi Big Al,
I am not sure if I am one of those former dealers you are talking about. I still use the Casablanca line of products everyday.
I got in trouble by MSUS, last year for speaking my mind on the Avio and some of its software. David threaten to pull the dealership and then I had another person call me (wouldn't tell me who he was), he yelled at me and threaten me about my postings. So, after that I had to play there game of "Praise the products or get lost"
I did not support and praise every single product out there, hell all of the dealers out there have a gripe about a few products that they sell. The dealers get all add on software for all of their systems FREE! Before the download system, dealers had to buy the softwares.
Former dealers grind there ax, because they are allowed to do so, they dont have MSUS doing the threatening game, no more.
I still support the Avio and few of its software add ons. I still teach training classes for local Avio/Kron users every month. And I am still here on these boards and have the AvioUsers list still going. I wouldn't be doing this if I didnt support the Avio, I have better things to do if I didnt
Ok, I am done. Email me if you have any other problems with me.
Travis "Gomer"
Gomervegas@cs.com
: Bob,
: To be fair MSUS run their own BB where FG, David and sometimes other staff members post regularly to answer questions etc. I think that is reasonable, expecting them to monitor and answer questions on other BB's is probably unreasonable they are running a business.
: I am not ungrateful, nor am I a slob and infact I do have a life. You must admit almost everything you post is negative and I for one use these boards for their intended purpose and not to read posts from people with an axe to grind ie. ex dealers who once thought and regularly posted positive comments about Casablanca products and how cool some of the new software is and now are no longer dealers (circumstances unknown) and funnily have nothing but negative comments for the products, doesn't say much for their integrity does it? Of course this may not apply to you Bob, as far as I know you never were a dealer of MS products. The fact is if their was one system that worked for everyone their would be only one system, the others would disappear. The Avio to my knowledge was originally intended as an entry level machine which was and still is very easy to learn to use and there are a lot of people using the Avio to earn a good living. PC/Mac matched with the right software have become very powerful editing tools but they are also not without problems which often the average user doesn't have the knowledge to solve, at the end of the day each to his/her own.
: How about this, I will stick to constructive and informative if you will and perhaps a couple of other guys who once seemed genuine in their praise for MS products might like to join us.
: BTW I didn't just show up I have been around a year or three, my life just doesn't allow the time to post here regularly ;-)
: Cheers,
: BigAl

X-Banned_Bob
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Nov 14, 2002, 2:23 PM

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"Big Al:"
>> Boy, there sure are some ungrateful slobs around the boards.
>
> I am not ungrateful, nor am I a slob and infact I do have a life.
>
I didn't mention any names ... :-)
>> I work hard to be sure you know about the wonderful benefits bestowed upon you by MSUS -- since David Slone and MSUS will no longer even post a "hello", much less try to help anyone here -- and all I get is grief from the likes of you.
> To be fair MSUS run their own BB where FG, David and sometimes other staff members post regularly to answer questions etc.
Somewhat true. They run their own forum to promote their company and to allow other users to do a majority of their tech-support and troubleshooting for them, as is evidenced by the majority of postings. It's rare they answer any of the questions themselves, and many times when they do, it's to promote another product costing a couple hundred bucks.
> ... expecting them to monitor and answer questions on other BB's is probably unreasonable they are running a business.
Interesting you say that, because it's obvious that they DO monitor this forum. In fact, before David Slone unveiled himself from under his phoney "Cassie" pseudonym on CF, and even afterward, he posted much more on this forum and other forums than on his own. So *I* am not asking anyone to be unreasonable. It's just obvious that he/they are here, but not willing to post, since they can't control it 100%. In fact, my guess is that Mr. Slone has probably already tried to get me, Travis Robinson, and Ed Resener banned from this forum, and is withholding his "blessings" because Hal is too honest to do such a thing.
> You must admit almost everything you post is negative ...
Funny ... you sure do sound like David Slone. In fact, after he said a very similar thing on MSUS board, he was chided by other users who actually looked through and found a vast majority of helpful posts, mixed with a number of contructive suggestions for improvement. Soon afterwards Slone (or his Favorite Girl [FG] maybe) deleted just about all of my posts, and edited the remaining ones to sound bad. Was it so he couldn't be proven wrong again? I don't know.
> How about this, I will stick to constructive and informative if you will and perhaps a couple of other guys who once seemed genuine in their praise for MS products might like to join us.
All I can promise is that I'll be honest and helpful. Can you argue with that?
BTW ... another one of the "former dealers" has been obviously absent lately ... He's now completely given up on even trying to be helpful because of the criticism from the cheerleaders. How sad.

X-CassieRep
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Nov 14, 2002, 5:17 PM

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As CassieRep I walk the fine line of supporting MSUS and my
Regional Dealers. I can tell you that MSUS has two
different personalities, one when they are supporting their
endusers and another when they support their Dealers.
I present this info to provide you a view from the inside.
MSUS is not a perfect company and these issues mentioned
below have only added to the problems between MSUS and their
Dealers. Eventually this effects the Dealer and how they
support the user. From these instances you can see how a
Dealer may become frustrated with MSUS.
Earlier this year several Dealers made the following serious
statements that they discovered that MSUS has...
1) Sold a KRON direct to a customer even though a Dealer was
already involved.
2) Referred several potential customers who called in to
MSUS asking where they can purchase AVIO, to Dealers several
states away, not referring them to a local Dealer just a few
miles away from the customer.
MSUS denied each of these instances unless I could provide
specific documentation, which I did and their responses are
below...
***
Subj: Re: MSUS Direct Sale
From: davidrubine@casablanca.tv
I tracked this KRON sale and we did sell it direct.
David Rubine
Central/Canadian Regional Sales Manager
***
Subj: Re: AVIO Sale Referrals
From: davidrubine@casablanca.tv
Whether or not my staff had anything to do with this they
can refer Avio sales to whomever they want to. MSUS has not
violated any agreement regardless of the origin of the sale.
As our rep, would you not side with the Dealer? Please
always assume the company is committed to serving the
Dealers and not screwing them. Please don't build a case
here.
David Rubine
Central/Canadian Regional Sales Manager

: Hi Big Al,
: I am not sure if I am one of those former dealers you are talking about. I still use the Casablanca line of products everyday.
: I got in trouble by MSUS, last year for speaking my mind on the Avio and some of its software. David threaten to pull the dealership and then I had another person call me (wouldn't tell me who he was), he yelled at me and threaten me about my postings. So, after that I had to play there game of "Praise the products or get lost"
: I did not support and praise every single product out there, hell all of the dealers out there have a gripe about a few products that they sell. The dealers get all add on software for all of their systems FREE! Before the download system, dealers had to buy the softwares.
: Former dealers grind there ax, because they are allowed to do so, they dont have MSUS doing the threatening game, no more.
: I still support the Avio and few of its software add ons. I still teach training classes for local Avio/Kron users every month. And I am still here on these boards and have the AvioUsers list still going. I wouldn't be doing this if I didnt support the Avio, I have better things to do if I didnt
: Ok, I am done. Email me if you have any other problems with me.
: Travis "Gomer"
: Gomervegas@cs.com
: : Bob,
: : To be fair MSUS run their own BB where FG, David and sometimes other staff members post regularly to answer questions etc. I think that is reasonable, expecting them to monitor and answer questions on other BB's is probably unreasonable they are running a business.
: : I am not ungrateful, nor am I a slob and infact I do have a life. You must admit almost everything you post is negative and I for one use these boards for their intended purpose and not to read posts from people with an axe to grind ie. ex dealers who once thought and regularly posted positive comments about Casablanca products and how cool some of the new software is and now are no longer dealers (circumstances unknown) and funnily have nothing but negative comments for the products, doesn't say much for their integrity does it? Of course this may not apply to you Bob, as far as I know you never were a dealer of MS products. The fact is if their was one system that worked for everyone their would be only one system, the others would disappear. The Avio to my knowledge was originally intended as an entry level machine which was and still is very easy to learn to use and there are a lot of people using the Avio to earn a good living. PC/Mac matched with the right software have become very powerful editing tools but they are also not without problems which often the average user doesn't have the knowledge to solve, at the end of the day each to his/her own.
: : How about this, I will stick to constructive and informative if you will and perhaps a couple of other guys who once seemed genuine in their praise for MS products might like to join us.
: : BTW I didn't just show up I have been around a year or three, my life just doesn't allow the time to post here regularly ;-)
: : Cheers,
: : BigAl

X-Travis
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Nov 14, 2002, 8:28 PM

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Hi,
We had similar results on leads that we found out, a local called MSUS, they send them to another dealer in another state and leave us out of it. Found this out when the user found out about my training classes and decided to come to it.
Travis "Gomer"
Gomervegas@cs.com
www.avio.us

X-Banned_Bob
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Nov 15, 2002, 10:23 AM

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> As CassieRep ...
> I can tell you that MSUS has two different personalities ...
> MSUS is not a perfect company ...
Oh, boy! Now you've gone and done it, CassieRep. You know this public admission will cost you huge bucks! No longer will you be able to carry the "most advanced non-linear editor in the universe" once [you know who] finds out who you are!
... another one bites the dust ...