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Oct 27, 2002, 5:38 AM
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Dave,
Are you suprised at this. they've been deleting my comments and others from the board for along time. they are like a bunch of little kids...all reactions are of the knee-jerk type. Ever heard of the First Amendment..."Freedom of Speech"...what do you expect from Mien Heer...a Dumbkoph!!
SirEd
: Here is the proof that MSUS DOES delete what is inconvenient, everything was taken from the MSUS BB:
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: Dave Yeoman
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: posted October 26, 2002 10:01 PM
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: Earlier I posted a comment regarding the cumulative cost of recent Avio software. It was on the list this morning when I left to do a wedding. Tonight I note it's no longer listed.
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: Dave,
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: Jim Meeker
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: posted October 26, 2002 11:07 PM
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: Dave,
: I haven't seen the post before, to know if someone upstairs felt that it was inappropiate or not. That does happen sometimes.
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: Dave Yeoman
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: posted October 26, 2002 06:39 AM
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: My e-mail says that PC Link is now available.
: Let's see here:
: PC Link $299
: OS 2.0 $250
: Pro Pack $500
: Total $1050
: I've already spent for 4 font packs, presentation package, hard drive expansion.
: I still don't have Power Key, Spice rack, etc.
: I'd say we're talking real money here. Seem's to me that I'd be better off taking that money and investing in a real editing system.
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: posted October 26, 2002 08:52 AM
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: I think I agree at this point. Some of these features could have been integrated into SE 2.0 and the PC link thrown in the box. I'll keep my Avio for mobility and fun, but I don't want to keep handing profits over this frequently. I would be better off to buy a new PC based NLE that already does all of this right out of the box. To get a decent machine I need:
: Font Packs-150.00
: PIP-199.00
: Spice Rack-199.00
: PC Link- 299.00
: SE 2.0-250.00
: Title Effects-199.00
: Motion Perfect-199.00
: Avio Pro-500.00
: Avio DV 1795.00
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: $3790.00
: G4 isn't sounding out of reach. Most guys and gals making videos for a living are technical enough to make it through the short learning curve of a PC unit.
: Why not try to sell new units instead of picking the pockets of the current customer. The more units on the market the cheaper the software should be. There must have been a list of upgrades MSUS was working on, and in some meeting room along the way it was decided to separate all of these upgrades into expensive individual options instead of making one affordable upgrade that will benefit all users at some point. My pockets are zipped until I research what the PC based market has to offer in the same price range.
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: Dave Mayoral
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: posted October 26, 2002 09:49 AM
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: I'm glad someone else noticed that trend. I'm going to have to jump on the bandwagon and say it appears greed is beginning to take root here (or already has). Sorry if I seem to be a little harsh here, but when you look at the figures, we are talking about a lot of money for add-ons that aren't as good as PC add-ons. Some add-ons are needed in most cases but the price seems just a tad too much. You were right about grouping several features together would lower the cost and make it more affordable. I realize they are in business to make money, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they seem to be going overboard with it. "My pockets are empty".
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: posted October 26, 2002 01:12 PM
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: Originally posted by admit 1 video:
: I would be better off to buy a new PC based NLE that already does all of this right out of the box. To get a decent machine I need:
: Font Packs-150.00
: PIP-199.00
: Spice Rack-199.00
: PC Link- 299.00
: SE 2.0-250.00
: Title Effects-199.00
: Motion Perfect-199.00
: Avio Pro-500.00
: Avio DV 1795.00
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: $3790.00
: There must have been a list of upgrades MSUS was working on, and in some meeting room along the way it was decided to separate all of these upgrades into expensive individual options instead of making one affordable upgrade that will benefit all users at some point. My pockets are zipped until I research what the PC based market has to offer in the same price range.
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: Because of all these Necessary Options, I purchases a M-RT-3D Real Time System for $3,795 and it included;
: Over 500 RT Effects
: 150 TrueType Fonts
: Pioneer A04 DVD Burner
: Removable Video Storage
: I can add up to four 10 hour video drives
: Since it's a pc I can easily use bmp and tga
: There's too many features to list here but it looks like my RT-3D system far exceeds any MSUS product.
: I think the best feature is being Real Time so I can make changes instantly to anything, text, effects or motion to mention just a few.
: XL
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: John Kleban
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: Member # 189
: posted October 26, 2002 03:42 PM
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: I'm usually not one to gripe about a company making a profit - but, I have to agree with some of the previously mentioned thoughts.
: With the pick-up of SmartEdit, this WILL be my last upgrade/software purchase. My unit is near the $4,000 range in terms of money spent on software. Enough is enough, plus with it having a slower processor, what's the point in sticking more money into old technology. Don't take this all in a negative vaine - I do love what I'm able to do and I do plan on using the Avio heavily for the next couple of years. It has served me very very well.
: I think the real problem is with the pricing MSUS puts on the software. An automtic price of $149-$199 seems to be the trend. For a minor software purchase that accomplishes a single task (ie. PIP studio, motion perfect, etc.) I think that is asking a lot. Oh, they also have no costs associated with having to ship software to distributors, put the software on disc(s), packaging, printing manuals, etc. Christ, I have to use my own paper and ink to get instructions? C'mon, these savings should be passed on to us, their loyal customers.
: In closing, love the Avio - mine is done from ever seeing any other software add-ons -and any extra coin is going into savings for my next editing system; which when the time comes, I'll still be hanging on to old faithful.
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: DANIEL AUGUSTE
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: posted October 26, 2002 05:13 PM
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: I AM WITH YOU GUYS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SAME THING YESTERDAY WE DEFINITELY NEED A BREAK ON THE ADD-ONS.THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE AND SOME OF THEM DO NOT EVEN WORTH THE MONEY WE ARE PAYING.IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE ALL THE ADD ONS FROM MACROSYSTEM WE WILL BE SPENDING OVER $ 4000.00 DOL. A FEW MORE YOU GUYS LEFT OFF.
: TWISTER 299.00
: LIQUID IMAGE 149.00
: 3D EFFECTS 149.00
: EFFECTS PACK 250.00 AND SO ON.
: WE ALL LOVE OUR KRON, AVIO & PRESTIGE. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR A BREAK. (MONEY WISE)
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: SirEd
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: posted October 26, 2002 05:16 PM
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: Hey XL,
: I know where you got it and you failed to mention the best line item about the RT-3D...rt= realtime and the 3D= 3 layers of video in rt....all in native DV. Plus the DVD authoring of Full Motion menus...I guess Real Time Means Real Time ...
: SirEd
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: Xlnvdeo
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: posted October 26, 2002 05:52 PM
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: Originally posted by DANIEL AUGUSTE:
: IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE ALL THE ADD ONS FROM MACROSYSTEM WE WILL BE SPENDING OVER $ 4000.00 DOL. A FEW MORE YOU GUYS LEFT OFF.
: TWISTER 299.00
: LIQUID IMAGE 149.00
: 3D EFFECTS 149.00
: EFFECTS PACK 250.00 AND SO ON.
: WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR A BREAK. (MONEY WISE)
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: Hey Daniel,
: All of the above Options were included in the M-RT-3D system ($3,795), except for the Twister.
: In place of the Twister I purchased "Shuttle-Pro" for $150. That's $150 that remains in MY pocket, not MSUS.
: XL
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