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Ikelite Housing Control?

 

 


maxheadspace
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Mar 26, 2005, 10:13 AM

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I've been looking at an Ikelite housing for my Sony HC1000. It appears that all controls are mechanical, rather than electronic. Is that so? Is there a benefit to having mechanical controls, other than the obvious avoidance of a short circuit? Any comments, pro or con, about the Ikelite housings? At around $1,300 for the HC1000 housing, there doesn't seem to be a significant cost advantage.

Thanks!
Max.


mikeG
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Mar 26, 2005, 11:29 AM

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Max,
Since you're interested in making your own lights, why not go all out and make your housing too. I made my housing for about $500 and it has electronic controls. Let me know if you want to see pictures.

mikeG


sjspeck
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Mar 26, 2005, 12:26 PM

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I've been looking at an Ikelite housing for my Sony HC1000. It appears that all controls are mechanical, rather than electronic. Is that so? Is there a benefit to having mechanical controls, other than the obvious avoidance of a short circuit? Any comments, pro or con, about the Ikelite housings? At around $1,300 for the HC1000 housing, there doesn't seem to be a significant cost advantage.

Thanks!
Max.


All Ikelite sells are housings with manual controls. Manual controls are thought to be reliable since they have positive contact. Electronic housing owners say that manual controls create potential leak points through the housing wall. I've never read of an Ikelite housing leaking except when the back was improperly fastened, so I doubt this is an area of concern. One thing I like about Ikelite is that if water gets in the housing it's easy to see. And since the front is clear, I'm guessing the flash on your camcorder might be of some use when shooting stills, unless it's obscured by the lens port on the housing. It looks like there's room for it to pop-up in the picture on Ike's website.

Having said that, I shoot with an electronic housing. I like the convenience of plugging in the camera, sealing the back and diving. I've read that sometimes you have to fuss with manual controls slightly to get everything to line up before sealing the housing. And that they occasionally slip off. I have no personal experience with this though.

A secondary concern is that if a gland leaks, you've got to fix it to continue shooting. If electronics fail, you can turn on the camera, seal it in the housing and just edit out the junk later. There have been problems with electronics in the past also, ranging from buttons freezing at depth due to pressure to failing if wet. If the electronics inside the housing get wet, you've got bigger problems as your camera just became an expensive paperweight - if saltwater touches the battery, it fuses to the camcorder. Most recently manufactured electronic housings don't have these problems anymore as the electronics inside the housing are sealed. And a lot of them use a magnetic/electronic coupling so there's no penetration through the housing, even for wiring. So the fail points are just the back cover and lens port if removable.

A drawback to using an Ikelite housing with your camera is that it won't be possible to manually white balance underwater since the LCD is turned around and used as a video monitor up against the camera when in the housing - that's why they provide the external mirror. Ikelite doesn't provide a control to activate the touchscreen functions, how could they? So if you plan to white balance at depth - you'll need to get an electronic housing with LANC control of this function.

Steve


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maxheadspace
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Mar 27, 2005, 2:11 PM

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Thanks for the response, Mike. Pictures would be great. I hadn't considered making my own camera housing, mostly out of fear. I feel less hesitant to make my own lighting, as the worst that could happen is shorted batteries or maybe a spoiled HID light ballast. I would be interested to know what all is involved in making a home-made housing.

Thanks again!
Max.


mikeG
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Mar 27, 2005, 5:18 PM

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Max,
I sent you a pm on your yahoo email. Let me know what you think.

Mike


bubblevision
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Apr 17, 2005, 12:56 AM

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No, the Amphibico's controls are electronic, not manual. Personally I prefer mechanical controls for the feeling and control as well as the reliability, but in my opinion the Amphibico's access to white balance control gives it an ENORMOUS advantage over the Ikelite. It does cost a lot more however, so you get what you pay for. Oh, and a friend of mine's Ikelite cracked next to a control for no apparent reason.
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Bubble Vision underwater video & marine life DVD, Phuket, Thailand
Sony VX2000, Gates housing, L&M Sunray lights
Sony Vegas


RickSp
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Apr 17, 2005, 1:59 PM

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I shoot with an Ikelite housing with my PD150. I have only shot on five dives so I am relative novice at shooting underwater but overall I like it. The one problem I have is specific to my PD150 and not the housing. The 150's "professional" viewfinder is black and white and which makes it hard to frame the shot. The advantage of the Ikelite housing for me is that is clear so I will be able to use a mirror to view the lcd panel when folded flat against the camera, or at least that is the plan so far. Exactly how well this will work remains to be seen but at least I have the option which I wouldn't have with an opaque housing.

I like the mechanical controls. Switching between auto and manual focus is easy. The manual zoom is easy to control. (I had to learn to move the on/off lever out of the way as I initially had a tendency to turn the camera off inadvertantly.) I can white balance with my camera underwater but so far I haven't. The external filter is not bad with auto white balance and I color correct everything in post any way, so I wonder whether white balancing underwater is really worth the trouble, (at least until I get a prescription bi-focal mask, so I have a better chance at really seeing what I am doing.)

So far anyway, I like my Ikelite a lot.

http://www.meridianmultimedia.com/bonaire.html

Rick Spilman
Meridian Multimedia
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suestacey
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May 9, 2005, 3:09 PM

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Hi mikeG: Curious soul that I am, I want to see your instructions. I don't know if I'd be able to make a housing, but I certainly might try it if I knew how. Thanks. Sue


suestacey
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May 13, 2005, 8:29 AM

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Hi Nick: What lighting system, if any, do you use with your Amphibico? Thanks. Sue


bubblevision
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May 14, 2005, 9:54 PM

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Sorry Sue,

I don't have the Amphibico. I used a Sony VX2000 in a Gates housing with L&M Sunray halogen lights.

Nick
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Sony VX2000, Gates housing, L&M Sunray lights
Sony Vegas


suestacey
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May 18, 2005, 4:36 PM

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Oh ok thanks Nick. I misunderstood your previous post.


maxheadspace
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Oct 16, 2005, 12:46 PM

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I purchased the Ikelite housing for my Sony HC-1000 and have been out on many dives with it, so thought I would follow up with my observations.

I really like the Ikelite housing and mechanical controls. Can't compare it with electronic controls, since I've never used them, but the mechanics of the Ikelite housing work great. I usually just set the camera on wide angle and switch to auto focus, requiring me to only be concerned with the power switch and the record/standby switch. Results have been fantastic, even in the murkiest waters of the East Coast, USA. Anything your eyes can pick up, the camera will "see." As for lack of manual white balance, I found that you can re-set the white balance underwater simply by switching the camera off, then turning it back on. On power-up, it goes through a light-level and white-balance adjustment, so by pointing the camera at a white source and turning the power on, I get a white balance adjustment equivalent to manual white balance setting. The lack of manual white balance control was my only concern with purchasing the Ikelite housing, but now have overcome that shortcoming. The clear nature of the housing really helps with the mechanical controls, since I can actually watch the little arms contact and move the switches on the camera. On rare occasion, I've had control arms slip off of the camera buttons, but because I can see the problem, I can immediately correct it by moving the arms back in place. My only concern with the housing is that it has only a single O ring keeping my camera from disaster. Of course it hasn't been a problem, but for peace of mind I would prefer a second, backup O ring.

Happy Diving!
Max. Sly