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mikeG
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Jan 2, 2005, 6:56 PM

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Back in July, I was diving in Kona, Hawaii and while in a cave (or lava tube? ) the surf kicked up and pressurized the tube to the point where all four of us had pain in our ears. I was the unfortunate one that suffered any real damage - a ruptured ear drum. It has been six months and my ear has healed just fine. The doctor said I can dive again. Just curious as to if anyone can offer some encouragement for me. Have any of you ruptured your ear drum? If so, how has your diving been since? One person I talked to said he has no problems.

Thanks,
MikeG


maxheadspace
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Jan 8, 2005, 12:30 PM

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SmileI ruptured my eardrum on the reefs off of Key Largo a few years back (I have terrible sinus problems). As a result of the pain and loss of equilibrium, I ended up losing lunch when I hit the surface (the Yellowtails had a feast). It cleared up fine and I haven't had any problems at all with the ear, other than my normal sinus problems. As long as the eardrum isn't "perforated," it usually heals well.

Max.


mikeG
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Jan 8, 2005, 2:30 PM

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Thanks Maxheadspace! This is the kind of encouragement I was hoping for. When you say "perforated", do you mean punctured, as in, by a foreign object? A ruptured eardrum is a perforated eardrum. Glad you healed OK. When I ruptured my ed, I didn't even know I did it until 1am after a full day of 5 dives. I am pretty sure I did 1-1/2 dives with my ear this way. The pain and blood kicked in after I went to bed. Today, it feels fine except a very slight pain if I blow my nose too hard. This doesn't worry me too much though because If I blow my nose just a little harder, the non-injured ear will hurt. It was probably like this before my injury and I'm a little "hyper-sensitive" / nervous now. I plan to do some local Great Lakes diving this summer before I plunk $2K down on my next liveaboard. Again, thanks MHS. I'd still like to hear from others if you read this.

MikeG


maxheadspace
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Jan 10, 2005, 12:03 PM

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As I understand it, a perforated eardrum is where a small section of the eardrum surface is "popped" out from some form of sudden trauma. I had a buddy in the Army who had his eardrum perforated from not wearing hearing protection on one of the firing ranges, maybe the grenade range. The loud noise/concussion perforated his eardrum and he was given a medical discharge. I think it's rare to have the eardrum perforated while diving. you should be fine soon. Cool


whittonr
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Jan 12, 2005, 6:56 PM

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Aloha Mike,
I had a perforated ear drum a while back, which healed perfectly and I have had no problem diving. One of my Dive Masters ruptured his ear drum diving for the mooring ball, and was out for about two weeks. He completly healed and has had no problems. You do want to keep the ear dry during healing, as water going behind the membrane can cause a middle ear infection.
Rob


bdombrowski
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Jan 19, 2005, 8:35 PM

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Hi,

I have a personal story to add to this thread.

I've been diving for 15 years both recreationally and technically.

Last July between two of my Tortugas liveaboard trips, I developed an inner ear infection. I had a discharge of bright green puss about 9 days before my next trip. It didn't hurt all that bad and felt normal a couple days afterwards.

On my 2nd dive of the trip, 120 miles offshore, I went to equalize my ears and noticed a bubbling sound coming from my right ear. I looked up and .... yes, they were bubbles alright. There was a hole in my ear drum.

Being 120miles offshore on a 100 ft liveaboard in flat calm seas with great vis, I was determined to keep diving with my camera for the duration of the trip. On one dive, I developed vertigo at 60ft and called the dive. After that, I was very careful to decend slowly continually equalizing to minimize and cold water getting in my right ear again. This worked, I finished all 13 dives of the trip, some to over 120 ft.

I flushed my ear between dives and at night with the wrong stuff. I used the ear dry stuff that has alcohol in it. It's all I had, and it stung like h*ll. It would have hurt less to pinch my nuts with a pair of vice grips. It was horrible for about 15 seconds after putting the drops in. (I should have been using 50/50 white vinegar and distilled water as you will read later, but this is hindsight.)

By the time I got home, I had green fluid running from my ear. A second raging inner ear infection had set in due to sea water intrusion. The ENT had to put me on Cipro and I had to douche my ear with 50/50 vinegar and water 5 times per day for 10 days. (This creates an acidic environment hostile to bacteria.) I had a 2mm diameter round hole (perforation) in my ear drum. Not barotrauma. This was caused by the first infection before my trip.

A month later, the infection was well cleared up but the perforation didn't close. ENT said no diving, no swimming. About this time hurricane Charely, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne were visiting so I wasn't really missing anything in the Tortugas. Every month the ENT check to see if the perf would close on it's own. No progress, no diving... time for surgery.

They did a myringoplasty in November to close the perf. This is full-blown surgery where they cut the perf bigger so it bleeds and take a plug of fatty tissue from your ear lobe to make a rivet-like graft to plug the hole. The ear drum's blood vessels grow into the graft. Eventually the graft is supposed to atrophy and the ear drum grows across and repairs itself. My hole was 4mm in dia after they cut away the dead tissue to prepare it to take the graft.... and it was dangerously close to the edge of the ear drum. Post op, the ENT said 70% chance of success vs the 90% he quoted before hand.

Well, yesterday was the day of truth. Two months since the surgery. The ENT tested the graft by putting suction on it and pulling. Remember putting the vaccumm cleaner wand on your face as a kid and pulling on your cheek? The same thing but on your ear drum instead. It wasn't very comfortable. He pulled, and the graft failed and pulled away. :(

The short coming with myringoplasty is that if the hole is too close to the edge of the ear drum, that edge has very few blood vessels and thus may not fuse to the graft.

So now, I face a more invasive surgery called a tympanoplasty where they need to cut the ear drum away and put a formal patch of skin (taken from my temple I believe) behind the ear drum where the hole is and against the inner ear canal. Oh yeah... and to get the right angle for entry, they need to cut the back of my ear and flip it forward so they can go straight down into the ear canal. Should make for some great pics.

Right now, I'm kinda at a cross roads on a decision. Do I try to dive one season with a perf and then get the surgery next fall, or do I get the surgery now and wait another six months to dive? I considering diving with the perf using Doc's Ear Plugs (one vented in the good ear, and one non-vented in the ear with the perf) and flushing with vinegar and h2o between dives to get by. I'm pretty sure I can keep infection away if I'm diligent with the ear douching using vinegar this time along with the plugs. Biggest concern would be vertigo if cold water got passed the non-vented plug.

By the way, the video and photos from the last trip I made were great and worth fighting to stay in the water. Had a pod of 3 wild dolphins swim right by the camera on one dive :)

Regards,

Brian D.
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mikeG
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Jan 20, 2005, 7:41 PM

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Brian,
I probably did 2 dives with my ruptured eardrum before I finally realized something was wrong. I don't know how you could stand it? My ear was so infected, the ear canal was totally swollen shut. I could not hear anything through it and the doctor could not see into my ear at all. Like you, I was putting an alcohol mix (50/50 w/ vinegar) and … yep … it burned like heck. I’ve never pinched my nuts with vice grips, so I can’t really make the comparison. My rupture healed without any surgery but my ENT tested my eardrum the same way as you described. That didn’t feel too good either. When I became aware I had a serious problem with my ear, I ended my dives – and even missed a night dive with 14 manta rays. As I wanted video of this particular night dive sooooo bad, I was crushed! While I love diving, I would not intentionally jeopardize my health in any way as you described. To me, it sounds incredibly reckless and I hope you come to see it this way. Don’t forget, your brain is right there near that 4mm hole in your ear. If you got a bad enough infection, you don’t know where it would stop. I wish you the best of luck with your up coming surgery and many years of great diving. My advice (I know you didn’t ask for it) is to get healthy and let your body heal.

Take Care & Good Luck,
MikeG


bdombrowski
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Jan 20, 2005, 8:44 PM

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Mike,

Have you seen these dive masks?
http://www.proear2000.com/pages/review.html

It's designed for those who want to dive with perforations in their ears.

Also, I never intend to let sea water into my ear canal if I dive with a perforation present. The vinegar/water and Tobradex are second and third lines of defense if water did get in. I would either use the Pro Ear 2000 mask, or use a non-vented Doc's plug in my bad ear. You can get away with a non-vented plug in a perforated ear because you'll equalize against the plug and not the ear drum.

Once I do have the tympanoplasty and my ears are normal again, I'll probably always dive with the Doc's vented plugs anyway. I know a few people who also used to get cronic external otitis (swimmers ear) and they swear by these things.

One last note for those reading this. Never ever put alcohol in your ear no matter what. Use just 50/50 vinegar and distilled water. Alcohol dries out your ear canal tissue to much and causes inflamation, and if it get into your inner ear.... it's hurts *really* bad.

Regards,

Brian
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mikeG
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Jan 21, 2005, 5:47 PM

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Brian,
I second the "never put alcohol in your ear" comment. OUCH! As far as the proear2000 mask, I saw a diver on one of my liveaboards wearing them. They look goofy as all heck (and he knew it) but he didn't care. They worked for him and that was what was/is important. I bought a pair of the vented Doc's plugs three or four years ago but have never used them. After this last trip, maybe I'll start. Any testimonials from anyone else reading this??? Good luck with your surgery and let us know how it goes.

Take care,
MikeG


digitalparagon
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Feb 17, 2005, 8:38 AM

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My wife and I both have had ruptures. She, as a little girl, had both ear drums punctured to relieve ear infections ( common practice in the 50's ), and as a result, would almost always have them rerupture during a dive trip ( she was diagnosed with weak spots on the drums ). After going to several "ear specialists" who gave her advice ranging from "don't dive, to wear ear plugs", she found an ear specialist who performed surgery, by cutting the ear, folding it back and attaching a skin graft on the ear drum. She had this performed on both ears and hasn't had a problem since. Me, I had a rupture several years ago, and it would always rerupture on a trip. My last trip, a week ago in Bonaire was problem free. I paid special attention to making very slow descents, in the heads up position. As a note, I always carry with me on all dive trips, prescription drugs for ear infections: antibiotics, a pain killer, as well as drugs for swelling - just in case. A full blown infection can happen within a days time, and ruin your entire trip, not to mention your ears and diving. Boyscouts are always prepared ! Don


bubblevision
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Feb 19, 2005, 8:29 PM

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I am prone to ear infections. At the end of each day's diving I use a little pipette (that came with antibiotic ear drops) to administer a couple of drops of 50% white vinegar/ 50% "rubbing" alcohol (Isopropyl alcohol 70%) into each ear. This never causes me trouble and definitely keeps the ear infections at bay. The bacteria hate the vinegar and the alcohol dries the ear.

Nick
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