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X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions_
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Oct 13, 1999, 5:07 AM

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U/W Comm. Can't Post

I have gotten a lot of e-mail on how to hook up comm. to a housing. ( Yes I will get to all of you thanks )
Would it help if I put photo's on my page that showed how to do this?
See Ya
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 8:59 AM

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Please do Dale, Can't Post

That,
Would be most interesting for those of us whom have never actually seen it done, regardless of how simple a task it seems to be. I believe Orcatron offers free "live-to-tape" transducer / hard-wire installation service and maintainence if you purchase one of their U/W comm and/or U/W narration systems, but I have yet to visit their factory while the process is underway. I can say with confidence Orcatron recently completed a simple request to install six Amphibico VH 1000 housings with U/W comm transducers for Parks Canada Marine Ecologists / Biologists.
Apparently Parks Canada staff are using the AMPHIBICO / ORCATRON combination to simultaneously visually / verbally record & document their U/W research discoveries "live-to-tape" while scientifically examining various marine life species within many of our spectacular Federally designated, or soon to be designated, Marine Protected Areas (MPA's). With the cheap Canadian dollar being the affordable choice over the American dollar these days, and with the high-quality and huge selection of equipment and service Amphibico and Orcatron are currently offering their national & international clients, I guess Parks Canada made the logical decision.
I hear everything is working out great, just can't wait to try this configuration you mention, if and when we ever get a request for it.
Respectfully,
Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 9:19 AM

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O.K. How much for a pair? (no text) [In reply to] Can't Post

: That,
: Would be most interesting for those of us whom have never actually seen it done, regardless of how simple a task it seems to be. I believe Orcatron offers free "live-to-tape" transducer / hard-wire installation service and maintainence if you purchase one of their U/W comm and/or U/W narration systems, but I have yet to visit their factory while the process is underway. I can say with confidence Orcatron recently completed a simple request to install six Amphibico VH 1000 housings with U/W comm transducers for Parks Canada Marine Ecologists / Biologists.
: Apparently Parks Canada staff are using the AMPHIBICO / ORCATRON combination to simultaneously visually / verbally record & document their U/W research discoveries "live-to-tape" while scientifically examining various marine life species within many of our spectacular Federally designated, or soon to be designated, Marine Protected Areas (MPA's). With the cheap Canadian dollar being the affordable choice over the American dollar these days, and with the high-quality and huge selection of equipment and service Amphibico and Orcatron are currently offering their national & international clients, I guess Parks Canada made the logical decision.
: I hear everything is working out great, just can't wait to try this configuration you mention, if and when we ever get a request for it.
: Respectfully,
: Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 9:46 AM

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I have no idea Gordon, we are a New Media Production Company, [In reply to] Can't Post

Not,
Retail sales representatives. However, I do have Amphibico's and Orcatron's contact information should you wish to contact them yourself and barter a deal directly;
AMPHIBICO: Aaron Braganza - Sales & Marketing
Tel: (514) 333-8666
Email: amphibico@sympatico.ca
ORCATRON: Tom Murdoch - Sales & Marketing
Tel: (604) 941-7909
Email: orcatron@aol.com
I hope this helps, and, BTW, I do suggest you refrain from contacting them if you're not serious, they may "accept you with a grain of salt" in the future, should you do so.
Respectfully,
Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 11:04 AM

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Re: I have no idea Gordon, we are a New Media Production Company, [In reply to] Can't Post

Phil:

Actually I recall reading about orcatron communications about two or three years ago. I don't recall the exact price, but I think it was at the price range of a complete Mares kit (Abyss reg, Quattro fins, etc.) and double aluminum tanks.
I noticed the use of a full faced mask. Don't those things waste gas with their positive pressure seals?
Gordon


: Not,
: Retail sales representatives. However, I do have Amphibico's and Orcatron's contact information should you wish to contact them yourself and barter a deal directly;
: AMPHIBICO: Aaron Braganza - Sales & Marketing
: Tel: (514) 333-8666
: Email: amphibico@sympatico.ca
: ORCATRON: Tom Murdoch - Sales & Marketing
: Tel: (604) 941-7909
: Email: orcatron@aol.com
: I hope this helps, and, BTW, I do suggest you refrain from contacting them if you're not serious, they may "accept you with a grain of salt" in the future, should you do so.
: Respectfully,
: Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 11:07 AM

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Nice page, Dale. (no text) [In reply to] Can't Post

: I have gotten a lot of e-mail on how to hook up comm. to a housing. ( Yes I will get to all of you thanks )
: Would it help if I put photo's on my page that showed how to do this?
: See Ya
: Dale Poff
: Aqua Productions


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 12:06 PM

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

Gordon,
If the Orcatron VOX system was to expensive for your particular budget, Orcatron has recently introduced their new
((SCUBAPHONE SPORT)), a very reliable, affordable U/W communication / narration alternative. I believe each Diver-Unit costs approx. $500.00 U.S., and I was already given the opportunity to test-dive the prototypes down to 210fsw, very clear and effective (and you DO NOT need a full-face positive pressure mask, the microphones fit into a comfortable mouth "bra" which can be fitted to almost any Scuba regulator).
Regardless, I've used full-face AGA masks with ORCATRON VOX systems extensively in the past, and I never noticed any significant air or mixed gas losses, whatsoever. I actually prefer to dive with a positive pressure mask, they never fog and rarely flood, the AGA's have a wide field of view, and in cold Canadian waters, they cover that much more of your exposed skin.
I hope this brief answer clears up any misleading information you may have heard in the past. Keep in mind you now have ORCATRON's contact information if you wish to speak with them directly with regard to their U/W communication systems.
Respectfully,
Phil Adams






X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions
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Oct 13, 1999, 4:36 PM

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You do not need comm. just for narration [In reply to] Can't Post

I will show how you can put narration in real time with out having comm. if you want and this will save you a lot of money. If done right you do not need a comm. unit. For alot of people this is what they want anyway.
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions




X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 4:44 PM

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Please tell us! [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually, I wouldn't think of buying any extra equipment unless the job called for it. But I'd like to know how you'd put narration real time without a comm. unit. (But let me guess, no empty milk cans and string, right ? <grin> ).
regards,

Gordon

: I will show how you can put narration in real time with out having comm. if you want and this will save you a lot of money. If done right you do not need a comm. unit. For alot of people this is what they want anyway.
: Dale Poff
: Aqua Productions



X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 4:47 PM

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210fsw?!?!? @ 150fsw I start hearing voices! (nt) [In reply to] Can't Post

: Gordon,
: If the Orcatron VOX system was to expensive for your particular budget, Orcatron has recently introduced their new
: ((SCUBAPHONE SPORT)), a very reliable, affordable U/W communication / narration alternative. I believe each Diver-Unit costs approx. $500.00 U.S., and I was already given the opportunity to test-dive the prototypes down to 210fsw, very clear and effective (and you DO NOT need a full-face positive pressure mask, the microphones fit into a comfortable mouth "bra" which can be fitted to almost any Scuba regulator).
: Regardless, I've used full-face AGA masks with ORCATRON VOX systems extensively in the past, and I never noticed any significant air or mixed gas losses, whatsoever. I actually prefer to dive with a positive pressure mask, they never fog and rarely flood, the AGA's have a wide field of view, and in cold Canadian waters, they cover that much more of your exposed skin.
: I hope this brief answer clears up any misleading information you may have heard in the past. Keep in mind you now have ORCATRON's contact information if you wish to speak with them directly with regard to their U/W communication systems.
: Respectfully,
: Phil Adams




X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions
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Oct 13, 1999, 4:56 PM

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This is all you need [In reply to] Can't Post

<center><img src="http://www.roava.net/~aquaproductions/mask.jpg"></center>


X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions
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Oct 13, 1999, 5:14 PM

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Hooked to my housing ( just photo ) [In reply to] Can't Post

<center><img src="http://www.roava.net/~aquaproductions/housingmask.jpg"></center>


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 5:34 PM

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At that, you don't even need a full face (AGA or otherwise ) mask, [In reply to] Can't Post

Dale is correct,
But, you could economize the procedure even further by using a mouth "bra", attached to your regulator. Furthermore, if it's a one-time situation you could install any old mono microphone
( which will inevitabely die if flooded ) to an U/W hard-wire such as Dale has demonstrated above. It's not going to last, but it will work ( the shoe-string production budget solution ).
Respectfully,
Phil Adams



X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 6:05 PM

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I hear yah, you should see the footage of the dive! [In reply to] Can't Post

It was a memorable experience,
I descended backwards down the "Shark Shoals" pinnacle in the Saba Marine Park, from 15fsw to 210fsw in less than 3 minutes (never dove the site before). Compressed air (no mix), twin aluminum 80's, AGA Mask with SCUBAPHONE com connection, SONY DCR VX 1000 with a SEA & SEA housing, no lighting, no filters, recording a few Models wearing & using ORCATRON's SCUBAPHONE SPORT com system prototypes, they descended directly above me at the same pace. I still have the profile of the dive recorded on my Aladin Air-X Nitrox "DATATRAK" software, after a 20 minute deco stop, I just made it to the surface as I ran out of air.
The concept was to capture a "God's Light" shot of our 46ft. Catamaran slowly dissappearing into the sun, the Divers gradually
becoming evident. Well, it kinda worked, if it wasn't for the strong cross-currents it would have been absolutely spectacular.
Still, we came back alive and with some really good 6mm DVT footage of the SCUBAPHONE's in non-stop use from 15fsw to 210fsw. We recorded the actual ultrasound audio conversations onto a new mini-dat format(no bigger than the size of your thumb-nail) connected to the Surface Unit.
If anything, it was a rush, to say the least,
Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 13, 1999, 7:12 PM

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You do if 2 or more are narrating, [In reply to] Can't Post

Dale,
With all due respect, I thought I should raise this issue whilst we're on the topic. What if two or more Divers intend to narrate as a discussion or debate? You then would indeed need an U/W Comm/Narration system, thus an ultransound transducer housing attachment for "live-to-tape" or "real-time" audio recording would be the proper alternative, correct?
Respectfully,
Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada



X-Gordon
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Oct 13, 1999, 10:44 PM

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No safety diver or spare air tank at 30 or 60 feet? [In reply to] Can't Post

 
Phil:
At 155 feet (exactly) my exhaust bubbles sound to me like a thousand metal ping pong balls hitting each other. All the fish seemed as if wishing to discuss the wisdom of wetsuit I was wearing.
I've never done a job at this depth. On fun dives I almost always have to rescue buddies whose eyes turn "sh_t faced" by 160 feet. I have to drag them to about 140 feet before the smiles return. As a result, I never take video down to this depth, knowing I might be forced to ditch equipment to save a mate. (My gear isn't insured).
A full faced mask, housing, lights, twin tanks ... talk about major dive site credibility!
I envy you. But rinsing and storing your gear might be a major chore though, right? Takes me more than two hours to do mine.
Gordon





: It was a memorable experience,
: I descended backwards down the "Shark Shoals" pinnacle in the Saba Marine Park, from 15fsw to 210fsw in less than 3 minutes (never dove the site before). Compressed air (no mix), twin aluminum 80's, AGA Mask with SCUBAPHONE com connection, SONY DCR VX 1000 with a SEA & SEA housing, no lighting, no filters, recording a few Models wearing & using ORCATRON's SCUBAPHONE SPORT com system prototypes, they descended directly above me at the same pace. I still have the profile of the dive recorded on my Aladin Air-X Nitrox "DATATRAK" software, after a 20 minute deco stop, I just made it to the surface as I ran out of air.
: The concept was to capture a "God's Light" shot of our 46ft. Catamaran slowly dissappearing into the sun, the Divers gradually
: becoming evident. Well, it kinda worked, if it wasn't for the strong cross-currents it would have been absolutely spectacular.
: Still, we came back alive and with some really good 6mm DVT footage of the SCUBAPHONE's in non-stop use from 15fsw to 210fsw. We recorded the actual ultrasound audio conversations onto a new mini-dat format(no bigger than the size of your thumb-nail) connected to the Surface Unit.
: If anything, it was a rush, to say the least,
: Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions_
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Oct 14, 1999, 3:58 AM

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Phil you are stating the obvious (nt) [In reply to] Can't Post

 


X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions_
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Oct 14, 1999, 4:18 AM

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Re: At that, you don't even need a full face (AGA or otherwise ) mask, [In reply to] Can't Post

Phil you are right, however I have problems with keeping the mouth masks sealed. Also they have a nasel sound on the tape because your nose and mouth are separated, if this is a onetime shoot go cheap. I also have some tekone masks that correct this and are cheaper than the aga, you use your regulator but the aga is still the best way to go.
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions
: Dale is correct,
: But, you could economize the procedure even further by using a mouth "bra", attached to your regulator. Furthermore, if it's a one-time situation you could install any old mono microphone
: ( which will inevitabely die if flooded ) to an U/W hard-wire such as Dale has demonstrated above. It's not going to last, but it will work ( the shoe-string production budget solution ).
: Respectfully,
: Phil Adams
:


X-Dale_Poff_Aqua_Productions_
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Oct 14, 1999, 5:43 AM

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Doria Diving at 230 feet [In reply to] Can't Post

Gordon it looks like we are going back to the Doria in June if you want to go. We will be using trimix, a 40%Helium-43%Nitrogen-17%O2 mix for the dive. Back in 1989 a friend and I went and at 190 I come close to losing him, you can acutely hear him yelling underwater in his reg. on the video. You can also see me drop the camera and grab him to go up, this scared me BAD. Sense that dive if I go below 200 we use trimix.
Everyone be careful!!!!!
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions

: Phil:
: At 155 feet (exactly) my exhaust bubbles sound to me like a thousand metal ping pong balls hitting each other. All the fish seemed as if wishing to discuss the wisdom of wetsuit I was wearing.
: I've never done a job at this depth. On fun dives I almost always have to rescue buddies whose eyes turn "sh_t faced" by 160 feet. I have to drag them to about 140 feet before the smiles return. As a result, I never take video down to this depth, knowing I might be forced to ditch equipment to save a mate. (My gear isn't insured).
: A full faced mask, housing, lights, twin tanks ... talk about major dive site credibility!
: I envy you. But rinsing and storing your gear might be a major chore though, right? Takes me more than two hours to do mine.
: Gordon



: : It was a memorable experience,
: : I descended backwards down the "Shark Shoals" pinnacle in the Saba Marine Park, from 15fsw to 210fsw in less than 3 minutes (never dove the site before). Compressed air (no mix), twin aluminum 80's, AGA Mask with SCUBAPHONE com connection, SONY DCR VX 1000 with a SEA & SEA housing, no lighting, no filters, recording a few Models wearing & using ORCATRON's SCUBAPHONE SPORT com system prototypes, they descended directly above me at the same pace. I still have the profile of the dive recorded on my Aladin Air-X Nitrox "DATATRAK" software, after a 20 minute deco stop, I just made it to the surface as I ran out of air.
: : The concept was to capture a "God's Light" shot of our 46ft. Catamaran slowly dissappearing into the sun, the Divers gradually
: : becoming evident. Well, it kinda worked, if it wasn't for the strong cross-currents it would have been absolutely spectacular.
: : Still, we came back alive and with some really good 6mm DVT footage of the SCUBAPHONE's in non-stop use from 15fsw to 210fsw. We recorded the actual ultrasound audio conversations onto a new mini-dat format(no bigger than the size of your thumb-nail) connected to the Surface Unit.
: : If anything, it was a rush, to say the least,
: : Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


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Oct 14, 1999, 8:41 AM

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Doria Diving at 230 feet -- isn't that place accident prone? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd love to do the Doria, but I'm not trimix certifide; nor am I certifide for dry suit.
I have never done non-tropical diving and away from a reef. There, I've said it.
Anyway, I've heard that a lot of accidents happen at the Doria. Like divers being swept by the current and found cold and shaking a couple of miles away.
Still .... how much would it cost me? Would you hire me? I'd make a good safety diver, waiting for you on the anchor line with a full tank and regulator at 60 feet. I'll even have your favorite magazine waiting for you for the extended decompression stops.
See ! ... now you got me grovelling!

Gordon


: Gordon it looks like we are going back to the Doria in June if you want to go. We will be using trimix, a 40%Helium-43%Nitrogen-17%O2 mix for the dive. Back in 1989 a friend and I went and at 190 I come close to losing him, you can acutely hear him yelling underwater in his reg. on the video. You can also see me drop the camera and grab him to go up, this scared me BAD. Sense that dive if I go below 200 we use trimix.
: Everyone be careful!!!!!
: Dale Poff
: Aqua Productions
:
: : Phil:
: : At 155 feet (exactly) my exhaust bubbles sound to me like a thousand metal ping pong balls hitting each other. All the fish seemed as if wishing to discuss the wisdom of wetsuit I was wearing.
: : I've never done a job at this depth. On fun dives I almost always have to rescue buddies whose eyes turn "sh_t faced" by 160 feet. I have to drag them to about 140 feet before the smiles return. As a result, I never take video down to this depth, knowing I might be forced to ditch equipment to save a mate. (My gear isn't insured).
: : A full faced mask, housing, lights, twin tanks ... talk about major dive site credibility!
: : I envy you. But rinsing and storing your gear might be a major chore though, right? Takes me more than two hours to do mine.
: : Gordon

:
: : : It was a memorable experience,
: : : I descended backwards down the "Shark Shoals" pinnacle in the Saba Marine Park, from 15fsw to 210fsw in less than 3 minutes (never dove the site before). Compressed air (no mix), twin aluminum 80's, AGA Mask with SCUBAPHONE com connection, SONY DCR VX 1000 with a SEA & SEA housing, no lighting, no filters, recording a few Models wearing & using ORCATRON's SCUBAPHONE SPORT com system prototypes, they descended directly above me at the same pace. I still have the profile of the dive recorded on my Aladin Air-X Nitrox "DATATRAK" software, after a 20 minute deco stop, I just made it to the surface as I ran out of air.
: : : The concept was to capture a "God's Light" shot of our 46ft. Catamaran slowly dissappearing into the sun, the Divers gradually
: : : becoming evident. Well, it kinda worked, if it wasn't for the strong cross-currents it would have been absolutely spectacular.
: : : Still, we came back alive and with some really good 6mm DVT footage of the SCUBAPHONE's in non-stop use from 15fsw to 210fsw. We recorded the actual ultrasound audio conversations onto a new mini-dat format(no bigger than the size of your thumb-nail) connected to the Surface Unit.
: : : If anything, it was a rush, to say the least,
: : : Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


X-Phil_Adams
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Oct 14, 1999, 11:01 AM

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I guess, you're the U/W comm expert here, you tell me (nt) [In reply to] Can't Post

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Oct 14, 1999, 11:05 AM

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That's what the Director ordered, that's what he got (nt) [In reply to] Can't Post

 
: Phil:
: At 155 feet (exactly) my exhaust bubbles sound to me like a thousand metal ping pong balls hitting each other. All the fish seemed as if wishing to discuss the wisdom of wetsuit I was wearing.
: I've never done a job at this depth. On fun dives I almost always have to rescue buddies whose eyes turn "sh_t faced" by 160 feet. I have to drag them to about 140 feet before the smiles return. As a result, I never take video down to this depth, knowing I might be forced to ditch equipment to save a mate. (My gear isn't insured).
: A full faced mask, housing, lights, twin tanks ... talk about major dive site credibility!
: I envy you. But rinsing and storing your gear might be a major chore though, right? Takes me more than two hours to do mine.
: Gordon



: : It was a memorable experience,
: : I descended backwards down the "Shark Shoals" pinnacle in the Saba Marine Park, from 15fsw to 210fsw in less than 3 minutes (never dove the site before). Compressed air (no mix), twin aluminum 80's, AGA Mask with SCUBAPHONE com connection, SONY DCR VX 1000 with a SEA & SEA housing, no lighting, no filters, recording a few Models wearing & using ORCATRON's SCUBAPHONE SPORT com system prototypes, they descended directly above me at the same pace. I still have the profile of the dive recorded on my Aladin Air-X Nitrox "DATATRAK" software, after a 20 minute deco stop, I just made it to the surface as I ran out of air.
: : The concept was to capture a "God's Light" shot of our 46ft. Catamaran slowly dissappearing into the sun, the Divers gradually
: : becoming evident. Well, it kinda worked, if it wasn't for the strong cross-currents it would have been absolutely spectacular.
: : Still, we came back alive and with some really good 6mm DVT footage of the SCUBAPHONE's in non-stop use from 15fsw to 210fsw. We recorded the actual ultrasound audio conversations onto a new mini-dat format(no bigger than the size of your thumb-nail) connected to the Surface Unit.
: : If anything, it was a rush, to say the least,
: : Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada


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Oct 14, 1999, 11:31 AM

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Re: Doria Diving at 230 feet -- isn't that place accident prone? [In reply to] Can't Post

All the stories are true. Take a look at the link and read about the Doria Deaths.
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions


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Oct 14, 1999, 11:36 AM

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That would scare me BAD too, [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that you mention it,
I'm never gonna dive that deep again, maybe I shouldn't even dive, maybe I shouldn't even drive, maybe, maybe!!!
Respectfully,
Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada



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Oct 14, 1999, 11:53 AM

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Re: That would scare me BAD too, [In reply to] Can't Post

I have always said do not be so scared it runs your life, that is why I keep going back. I like the wreck and keep going back like a fool. And I don't just pick the people I take, not people that say they have done deep diving but I have to see it.
Dale Poff
Aqua Productions
: Now that you mention it,
: I'm never gonna dive that deep again, maybe I shouldn't even dive, maybe I shouldn't even drive, maybe, maybe!!!
: Respectfully,
: Phil Adams - Manta Multimedia Inc. - Vancouver, B. C., Canada
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