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What is correct image size for video?

 

 


KGoebbel
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Jul 10, 2005, 4:36 AM

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What is the correct image size for video?
Thanks,
Kevin


TimK
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Jul 10, 2005, 12:36 PM

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For standard definition DV, it is 720 x 480 (pixels). However, in DV the pixels are rectangular, but in still images they are square. If you want a Photoshop file to appear full frame and undistorted in video, then make your image 720 x 480, but then resize it to 720 x 534.


videobear
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Jul 11, 2005, 6:46 AM

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If you make it 720x540 in PS, then you won't lose any resolution when it's rescaled to 720x480 video pixels.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


TimK
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Jul 14, 2005, 3:09 PM

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When I was matching up an animation made in a square pixel program (Canopus Imaginate) and then tried to line it up exactly with the same image in DV, 540 pixels was still distorted a little, but 534 was exact.


videobear
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Jul 15, 2005, 5:51 AM

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Tnx for the correction, Tim. My figure was based on scanned photos, and matching by eye.




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Doug Graham
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TimK
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Jul 17, 2005, 8:32 PM

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I used to always use 540 too until I needed an exact pixel number and someone on another forum helped me out.


SouthNdixie
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Aug 21, 2005, 8:17 PM

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720x540 is DV quality, uses up a lot of MB but worth it, full screen looks very good


Lou Bruno
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Sep 14, 2005, 11:49 AM

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You learn something everyday.....thanks.

Lou Bruno


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If you make it 720x540 in PS, then you won't lose any resolution when it's rescaled to 720x480 video pixels.



videobear
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Sep 14, 2005, 12:14 PM

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Wow, look who dropped in!

Hiya, Lou! I'm thrilled if I was able to even begin to repay the debt on all that you've taught me. Your early posts on the DV500 were instrumental in my purchasing that camera...and learning how to use it.




Regards,
Doug Graham
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Lou Bruno
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Sep 14, 2005, 12:47 PM

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I have a SONY HD and the new JVC 5100 now....awesome!!!
I am always around lurking somewhere.

Lou "NOVICE?" Bruno


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Wow, look who dropped in!

Hiya, Lou! I'm thrilled if I was able to even begin to repay the debt on all that you've taught me. Your early posts on the DV500 were instrumental in my purchasing that camera...and learning how to use it.



(This post was edited by Lou Bruno on Sep 14, 2005, 12:49 PM)


videobear
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Sep 14, 2005, 1:18 PM

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All that "Novice" means is that you don't spend all your time posting here on VU, unlike...ahem!...some of us.

Wink




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Doug Graham
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SuePren
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Sep 17, 2005, 3:42 PM

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For standard definition DV, it is 720 x 480 (pixels). However, in DV the pixels are rectangular, but in still images they are square. If you want a Photoshop file to appear full frame and undistorted in video, then make your image 720 x 480, but then resize it to 720 x 534.



SuePren
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Sep 17, 2005, 3:44 PM

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I'm confused, why not just make it in 720 X 534 and skip the resize step? Or are you talking about resizing it in Vegas? I may be over complicating this question but that resize thing is confusing me.

Your help is apprecaited.
SuePren


(This post was edited by SuePren on Sep 17, 2005, 3:45 PM)


videobear
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Sep 17, 2005, 7:36 PM

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It IS confusing, Sue...especially because Photoshop now has a translator function for nonsquare pixels, and so do several editing applications.

But, assuming that you're not using any of that automatic wonderstuff, and are doing it manually,

- when you create your 720x534 graphic by scanning a photo, or whatever, those pixels are square.
- the image appears correct on the computer screen.
- When we're ready to export for video, we re-size the image to 720x480 pixels. They're still square at this point, so our image now looks kind of squashed and fat.
- Now we import into our editor, and look at that 720x480 image on a television. The pixels are rectangular, a bit taller than they are wide, so the image has now been un-squashed and looks just like it did at 720x534 on the computer monitor.

You should create a couple of graphics to use as test images, to make sure your settings are right. Make a big circle on a contrasting background. Make one of these at 720x534. Make a copy of that, but then resize it to 720x480, so you have a squashed circle. You can do it from the other direction, too...use your camcorder to grab a video image of a circle.

Now you can use these as test images when you are setting up to do some importing or exporting. Try various combinations of your paint program's and your editor's pixel aspect ratio compensation functions. The goal is to get the circle looking like a circle on both the TV and in your paint program. If it's squashed one way or the other, a setting is wrong somewhere.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


SuePren
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Sep 18, 2005, 1:09 PM

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Thank you Video Bear. I'll try that test.

Your help is greatly appreciated.


Laura K
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Sep 28, 2005, 8:00 AM

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In PS CS there is an option under
Image..
Pixel Aspect Ratio...

It lets you change your pixel aspect ratio to a custom or one of the DV presets.
Now that's ok, but here is my question.

I've never noticed any distortion in Vegas whatsoever when pulling in photos.
Why do I need to resize things?

I can see using the pixel ratio preset when designing menu's or something, but why is there a
need for changing aspect when taking a photo into Vegas? I've never seen any distortion.

L




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sal
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Sep 28, 2005, 11:32 AM

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Laura,
you don't have to do this in vegas, because vegas does this for you. When you lay down a graphic in the media pool, it marks the pixel aspect ratio as square. The graphic should be a square pixel image, unless you've gone through the resizing steps photoshop as explained by videobear.

You can check the pixel aspect ratio by right clicking on the graphic in the media pool, and checking it's pixel aspect ratio setting. If you've compensated in photoshop and gone through the steps, you should change this to the ntscDV(.9091) If you don't change a compensated image to ntscDV, vegas will assume you haven't done the conversion and will 'squish' the graphic again. It would look really distorted. This drove me crazy when I first started using vegas and took me a while to find what was going on.

If you haven't done any compensating, then you should leave this as a square pixel image and let vegas do the "squishing" This is why you haven't had any problems laura. You've been feeding vegas square pixel aspect images and vegas has been compensating in the background.

One thing to watch out for. Always give vegas enough room to "squish" the image. If you give it a 720x480 square pixel image, when vegas "squishes" it, you will notice small black bars at the top and bottom.


(This post was edited by sal on Sep 28, 2005, 11:35 AM)