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Windows XP SP2 changes Photoshop

 

 


Luis Ortega
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Apr 26, 2005, 8:49 AM

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I ran across this problem and I was wondering if others had seen it and how to solve it.
I often use Photoshop to import still images from a firewire connected camcorder to use in stop motion animation.
Normally, the still images are captured at the same size as the camcorder creates, in my case 720 x 576 pixels at 72 dpi (PAL). This has always worked fine in Photoshop 7 and CS.
Now since I upgraded to win xp service pack 2, the same camcorder and computer are producing images that are 1/4 size, that is 360 x 288 pixels at 72 dpi. It happens with either Photoshop 7 or Photoshop CS if the system is on win xp sp2.
Is this a problem with how Photoshop and win xp sp2 work together, or am I setting something wrong?
I can't see any preference options that would affect this that I can change. I'm not sure where to look for options of this in win xp.
The same camcorder continues to work as expected when I do the still image captures on another computer at work that runs win xp sp1.
Can anyone please advise me on what may be going on here and how to solve the problem?
Thanks a lot for any help.


videobear
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Apr 26, 2005, 9:30 AM

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It isn't SP2 per se that's the problem. I run SP2 and CS, and do not see this behavior. Have you checked to see if the system is still using CS to capture, or has the new installation defaulted to some Microsoft utility for photo capture?




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


Luis Ortega
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Apr 26, 2005, 10:36 AM

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It isn't SP2 per se that's the problem. I run SP2 and CS, and do not see this behavior. Have you checked to see if the system is still using CS to capture, or has the new installation defaulted to some Microsoft utility for photo capture?



It looks like the same utility for importing still images that Photoshop uses in Win XP SP1. How can I check to see what's going on behind the scenes.
We have done several tests with various machines and camcorders and it's a definite issue. How do you access your still image imports from a camcorder into photoshop?
I use file>import>wia sony dv camcorder.


videobear
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Apr 26, 2005, 1:53 PM

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Re: [Luis Ortega] Windows XP SP2 changes Photoshop [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, shoot, that ought to do it. I'm not going to be back in the studio until Wed pm, but if nobody tries it out before then I'll hook up my camcorder and see what it does.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


videobear
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Apr 27, 2005, 9:28 PM

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Well, darn, I get the same results you do. I never noticed this before, because I use Vegas to capture stills from the camera or deck.

Let me know if you find a solution within Photoshop. Mad




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


vidguyz
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May 20, 2005, 12:30 AM

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What the SP2 upgrade did for me (one of those undocumented features, they call it) was to revert my video drivers back to the Windows native driver.

Reinstall your custom drivers ... or at least check to see they haven't been uninstalled.

Good Luck - it took me forever to figure that one out.

vidguyz


videobear
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May 20, 2005, 7:13 AM

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Which drivers? You mean, the drivers for your display card (ATI, Nvidia)? Or the Firewire drivers?




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Doug Graham
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vidguyz
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May 23, 2005, 8:42 PM

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Yes, the video drivers for my GEOFORCE.

Quite a few video applications quit working properly or colors were skewed after I installed SP2 and I couldn't figure out why for quite some time.

I re-installed all my video drivers and voila - everything was working properly again.

That, fortunately, was the ONLY problem XP SP2 gave me, but I've heard others have more or less problems.

(edited later) - The Firewire drivers seemed to NOT suffer the same fate.... again, it was only the video drivers that I had to reinstall.


(This post was edited by vidguyz on May 23, 2005, 8:44 PM)


videobear
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May 23, 2005, 10:18 PM

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OK, well, that doesn't seem to be the problem here. Video display is fine, and the ATI drivers didn't get replaced by the SP2 install.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


vidguyz
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May 23, 2005, 10:47 PM

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OK, let me get this right - The issue is that Luis used to be able to hotlink his camcorder via firewire connection - and the images (?) are now coming in at about 1/4 size of pre SP2 installation. When you say images, are you talking still images or video ? In any event, it could be something as silly as a virtual memory issue that Photoshop uses.

Let me put my old senior tech support thinking cap back on ... it's been about 10 years.

"Delete, re-install everything, contact Bill Gates in the morning !!" (oh wait, that never worked before, why would it work now?)

My first step would be to find a nice large portion of one of your hard drives, defrag that drive and reset your Photoshop to use that portion of that drive for your virtual memory that Photoshop uses.

If that doesn't work, then proceed to semi-drastic but always a good idea step two:

a) try using a different firewire port on the back of your puter ... just try it. If it doesn't work, nothing gained, nothing lost.
b) reseat your firewire card. I know it doesn't make sense considering the issue, but it IS always a good practice.
c) Delete your hardware ref in Control Panel, delete and re-install your firewire and camcorder drivers.
d) Re-install the drivers (camcorder and firewire), boot again ... Control Panel should see the new install. If not, manually configure it.
e) Thoroughly check any settings with your camcorder software (if any) AND your firewire software.


Another possibility - and yes, it CAN happen. Try another cable ... perhaps you've got a kink or glitch in the cable, or worst yet (circumstansially) you've slightly damaged the cable after messing with stuff after the SP2 installation fiasco. This coincidence happens all too often, trust me.
Anxious to hear what actually fixed the problem, if that fix ever comes about.

Good Luck.

Vidguyz

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videobear
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May 24, 2005, 6:38 AM

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Clarification: The firewire connection is working fine...for video. When you try to import a still image from the deck via firewire, directly into Photoshop, it's captured at 1/4 resolution. But the "still capture" function of Vegas works just fine.

It "feels" like a bug in Photoshop CS and the way it works within XP SP2. However, your suggestions about reinstalling the Firewire card correspond to advice from Microsoft, so I'll give it a try.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


Luis Ortega
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May 26, 2005, 1:07 PM

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OK, let me get this right - The issue is that Luis used to be able to hotlink his camcorder via firewire connection - and the images (?) are now coming in at about 1/4 size of pre SP2 installation. When you say images, are you talking still images or video ? In any event, it could be something as silly as a virtual memory issue that Photoshop uses.

Let me put my old senior tech support thinking cap back on ... it's been about 10 years.

"Delete, re-install everything, contact Bill Gates in the morning !!" (oh wait, that never worked before, why would it work now?)

My first step would be to find a nice large portion of one of your hard drives, defrag that drive and reset your Photoshop to use that portion of that drive for your virtual memory that Photoshop uses.

If that doesn't work, then proceed to semi-drastic but always a good idea step two:

a) try using a different firewire port on the back of your puter ... just try it. If it doesn't work, nothing gained, nothing lost.
b) reseat your firewire card. I know it doesn't make sense considering the issue, but it IS always a good practice.
c) Delete your hardware ref in Control Panel, delete and re-install your firewire and camcorder drivers.
d) Re-install the drivers (camcorder and firewire), boot again ... Control Panel should see the new install. If not, manually configure it.
e) Thoroughly check any settings with your camcorder software (if any) AND your firewire software.


Another possibility - and yes, it CAN happen. Try another cable ... perhaps you've got a kink or glitch in the cable, or worst yet (circumstansially) you've slightly damaged the cable after messing with stuff after the SP2 installation fiasco. This coincidence happens all too often, trust me.
Anxious to hear what actually fixed the problem, if that fix ever comes about.

Good Luck.

Vidguyz

Thanks, Vidguyz, but the solutions you propose are essentially moot since this is happening with all the dv camcorders and computers that I've tried so far, and that is about 15. Additionally, my students, and posters on other forums, have reported the same results on their own. Different cameras, cables, computers make no difference. By the way, I mean still image captures from the camcorder connected via firewire and accessed in photoshop. It's a nice way to do stop motion captures that are full dv video quality. In sp1 they are 720 x 576. In sp2 they are 360 x 288.



vidguyz
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May 27, 2005, 2:55 PM

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What the heck ? MadMadMad

OK, Microsoft is suggesting (at least to Doug) to reseat firewire card, etc .... always a good step anyway.

But with the myraid of systems/cameras you've tried all still having the same problem - then obviously it's not the obvious nor the near obvious. (hmm).

OK, time to put on collective thinking caps here ... this HAS to be resolvable - it just makes NO sense that it can't be resolved.

Have you taken this issue to www.annoyances.org ?? - there are usually a pretty good bunch of techies there interacting like we do ... but I find they are more global in issues - and - this issue might fit into a more global problem. Definetly worth a try.

I'm going to run this by a professor of broadcast video that I know out here in California - see if his students or him are running into this same problem. I'm not sure if they use Macs or PCs - or both ... but if they use PC's, then this issue MUST have reared its ugly head there.

Let's see what happens .. I'll forward this forum thread to him and maybe we can get this 'enhanced, undocumented feature' addressed.

Good luck in the meantime.

EDITED LATER -- Luis, also try this link if you have not already: http://support.microsoft.com/...ult.aspx?kbid=884130

Vidguyz


(This post was edited by vidguyz on May 27, 2005, 3:00 PM)


Luis Ortega
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May 28, 2005, 5:25 AM

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Thanks, Vidguyz, but I suspect that this is just a new feature change in Windows and is connected to the wia system that they use for scanners and other image import built into Windows. If it is, I wonder why they changed the specs?
I've been considering getting into the wia drivers, if any, and seeing how they vary from an sp1 system, and perhaps fiddling with those or trying a roll back.
I was able to repeat the problem with an NTSC camcorder recently, so it's not just a PAL problem.
I would be greatly interested in hearing if anyone else is able to make it work and what they did. The problem is simple, and so far universal.
To repeat:
Connect a dv camcorder via firewire to Photoshop and use file>import>wia dv camcorder to access a capture window which will capture stills from the camcorder.
Those stills are 720 x 576 pixels at 72 dpi when captured with a Windows XP SP1 system but only 360 x 288 pixels at 72 dpi when captured on Windows XP SP2 systems.