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Adobe Premiere Pro Audio Sample Rate

 

 


txbonfire
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Oct 18, 2007, 2:35 PM

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For the APP users.....When you create your APP project for video editing, how do you decide on the Audio Sample Rate? Do you just use a preset? Or do you take into account the source audio, and what if you have mulitple audio clips sampled at different rates? Some of my projects utilize music sampled at 44100 Hz and video clips where the audio was sampled at 48000 Hz. Is it best for me to have my project set to 44100 Hz or 48000 Hz?
Thanks,
Angela
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dvpro
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Oct 18, 2007, 6:54 PM

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Hi Angela,

DV video uses 48k audio, as does DVD, so by all means, any DV Project in PPro should use the default 48k audio preset. PPro "conforms" all audio anyway into a higher-quality format in the background, so you can drop 44k CD tracks or what have you onto the timeline and in the end, it all comes out 48k as it should.

Jeff Pulera
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For the APP users.....When you create your APP project for video editing, how do you decide on the Audio Sample Rate? Do you just use a preset? Or do you take into account the source audio, and what if you have mulitple audio clips sampled at different rates? Some of my projects utilize music sampled at 44100 Hz and video clips where the audio was sampled at 48000 Hz. Is it best for me to have my project set to 44100 Hz or 48000 Hz?
Thanks,
Angela



txbonfire
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Oct 18, 2007, 9:10 PM

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Jeff,
My original post was being asked due to a customer project I have going on. In the process, I found that several of my personal miniDV tapes were recorded with a 32000 Hz audio sample rate. Would it still be appropriate to use the 48KHz default audio preset in this case as well?
Thanks so much,
Angela
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txbonfire
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Oct 18, 2007, 10:53 PM

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One reason I am asking these questions is because of the following notes I've seen in Adobe documentation:
1. From Adobe Tech Note #317366
"Clicks or pops may occur during playback if the audio sampling rate of your clip differs from the audio sampling rate of your project. Create a new Adobe Premiere Pro project with the same audio sampling rate setting as the media clips, and then import the old Adobe Premiere Pro project into the new one."
2. From APP2.0 User Documentation:
"Setting a different rate from the original audio requires additional preocessing time and affects the quality."

Can anyone speak to the above?

And to recap my latest concern, posted above (sorry for the repost)...
Another concern I have is that I am wanting to capture footage that has an audio sample rate of 32kHz. This is a personal project of geting footage from miniDV to DVD and I am utilizing APP2.0 to do this. In this case, where the entire footage is at 32kHz, should I stick with the DV 32kHz preset or is it still best to have the APP project set to the DV 48kHz preset?

Thanks again,
Angela
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txbonfire
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Oct 18, 2007, 11:47 PM

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And I found a good article from the book Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 Studio Techniques

http://www.adobepress.com/...sp?p=605027&rl=1

It explains the "Audio Settings" in great detail.

-Angela
Angela


txbonfire
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Oct 19, 2007, 12:25 AM

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Another way to rephrase my current concern:

In the article (which I posted previously), it gives the APP rules for what audio is conformed and what audio remains unconformed. Basically, 1) all compressed audio gets conformed to the project's audio sample rate and 2) uncompressed audio will be conformed unless imported into projects with a 1:1 (equal), 1:2, or 2:3 ratio sample rate.

So, in my specific case (for my personal video scenario)....."32kHz uncompressed audio is not conformed in a 32kHz project (1:1) or a 48kHz project (2:3)."

My question now is "What is the benefit (if any) of using the DV 48kHz preset if all of my video footage was sampled at 32kHz? Shouldn't I just stick with the DV 32kHz preset in this case?"

Thanks so much,
Angela
Angela


MoonLitNite
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Oct 19, 2007, 2:21 AM

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Hi Angelea,

So many questions, so little time <wink> Okay, first off we're talking about how often the analog-digital converter samples the input frequency spectrum. Since you originally encoded at 32Khz, you'll never recover what's lost at the high-end of the human range of hearing (18hz-20,000hz). BTW, to get good fidelity we need to sample the original frequency 2.6 times, so the maximum input frequency you've saved at 32Khz is around 12,000hz. Anything above that is adieu, adios, arrivederci, auf wiedersehen, au revoir, bye, bye-bye, cheerio, good-by, goodby, good-bye, goodbye, good day, sayonara, so long...

While you can use your editor (PP, Audition, etc) to encode at a higher rate - no problem there and the extra disk space is negligible compared to video. But there might be several good reasons to conform to a higher rate:

1. Compatability - perhaps you'll export the audio and either require a like-for-like sampling rate or find the player (Flash) doesn't play the file correctly, i.e., the "chipmunk effect"
2. Downstream audio processing - perhaps you'll process/reprocess/rereprocess the audio in a way where having a higher sampling rate helps maintain the stored (32Khz) fidelity. As long as you keep the file in WAV format, this shouldn't be a problem but once save in a lossy format like MP3 and then edit/process (which I'd never recommend) you'll be happy you saved the file at a higher sampling rate.

Hopefully this theory and practical examples will help - you can learn more about theory here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Sample_%28signal%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_rate

Michael
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(This post was edited by MoonLitNite on Oct 19, 2007, 2:21 AM)


dvpro
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Oct 19, 2007, 9:04 AM

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I've never used PPro without the Matrox RT.X100 hardware, and in that case, 32K tapes just "come in as 48k" somehow, so haven't dealt with your particular situation.

Jeff Pulera
Digital Vision


txbonfire
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Oct 19, 2007, 3:14 PM

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So is the consensus that a video clip with an audio sample rate of 32kHz is best to be imported into an APP project with a 48kHz preset?
Angela


Mark Foley
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Oct 20, 2007, 8:01 AM

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Although I can't speak for APP on authority...Since the final delivery with be 48kHz...set project to 48 and resample any 44.1 material

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Ron Priest
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Jan 4, 2008, 12:27 PM

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Although I can't speak for APP on authority...Since the final delivery with be 48kHz...set project to 48 and resample any 44.1 material


Mark, I'm going through a tutorial right now on Soundtrack Pro and it has brought up some questions I have concerning whether or not I should continue capturing my audio at 96 kHz versus 48 kHz.

The book on Soundtrack Pro states: "One thing to keep in mind: A higher sampling rate does provide a more accurate reproduction of sound, but it also places a much greater strain on your computer as you edit your soundtrack. If you use a higher sampling rate, you will be able to play back fewer tracks in real time and add fewer effects to your soundtrack."

Now this statement comes after a previous statement that says "Note that Final Cut Pro works only in 48 kHz" Well I'm not sure if FCP conforms audio as Premiere Pro does when you import the audio, but in some fashion, apparently FCP will convert the final output to 48 kHz, so my question is this. If the NLE has to convert or render an audio stream to 48 kHz is one reaping any benefits to record the original content at 96 kHz? To avoid my NLE from rendering my higher sampling rates and take up valuable processor time when rendering, would I be better off to convert my 96 kHz files to 48 kHz before importing them into my project?
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Mark Foley
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Jan 4, 2008, 2:56 PM

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Iregardless of the limitation of FCP only being able to handle 48kHz, one should always strive to record at the highest frequency as possible. At the very least always record at 24 bit. Once captured digitally at the high sample rate, once easily convert it to 48 kHz with very little effect on the final outcome

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