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Audio Feed from Soundboard to Camera

 

 


Mark Foley
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Jun 10, 2007, 8:56 AM

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I had someone contact me on how to properly take a feed from a soundboard (XLR connection from live band) and run it safely/accurately to his camera. I thought I would share this with all: Just because your audio feed is coming to you on a XLR cable doesn't mean it is a mic level signal. The value of an XLR connection is that the signal is balanced. Sound board MAIN OUT (or MASTER) signals can be set to either mic level (-60db) or line level (+4db). Typically an XLR feed is +4db, a very hot signal, because the amplifiers themselves are usually located back stage, a good distance from the sound board in the house.

Ask the board technician to give you one of the following feeds instead:
1. A RECORD OUT feed. This is also a +4db signal, but independent from the MAIN OUT feed and at constant stable level. This can be from either a 1/4" or a RCA socket. It is also a stereo feed.
2. A SUB MASTER OR MONITOR FEED. Depending upon the design of the sound board, these feeds can be mono or stereo. Their purpose is to provide signals to onstage speakers for the performers or to drive a specific set of amplifiers, like for bass cabinets or sub-woofers. They differ from the MAINS in that individual channels can be assigned to them. A drummer, for example might be more interested in the rhythm guitar player where the lead vocalist will want to pay more attention to his/her own voice and the drummer. Sub-masters allow them to hear a mix distinctly different from what the audience hears.
3.AUX sends are mono, and are primarily used to electronically process specific audio channels, and almost always use 1/4" connections. Like Sub-Master, individual channels are assigned to them.

Regardless of the kind of send you are given, insure all channels coming into the board are assigned to it.

To complete the connection to your camera, purchase two 1/4" male to XLR female microphone cables about 15' long, two XLR male -male "gender menders" (short metal cylinders about 3" long), and two RCA male to 1/4" female adapters. They are all available from Radio Shack.

To be on the safe side, set your camera's mic input to "ATT", meaning attenuated to -35 db or "Line", meaning+4db. Remember that while the sound board itself can not produce enough signal strength to drive loudspeakers it is loaded with volume controls which could deliver to your camera a very strong signal. Have the board controls that manage your feed set low to start, 30-50%. Get your camera adjusted, then, if necessary, have the board technician slowly increase the gain on your feed. My preference is to the RECORD OUT feed because the sound tech doesn't have to do anything, and you have eliminated a bunch of variables to your feed.

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Mark



RT Steele
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Jun 10, 2007, 4:05 PM

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Geez Mark...

The DJ's I work with can't even find the freaking buffet line much less know all this stuff about their gear.

But they all seem to know where their speakers are. Laugh Since I've been using the e604 I don't think I've said 2 words to a board operator other than to tell him to keep the lighting up and not play the chicken dance.

- RT


RustyB
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Jun 10, 2007, 4:22 PM

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...Since I've been using the e604 I don't think I've said 2 words to a board operator other than to tell him to keep the lighting up and not play the chicken dance.

- RT




After MANY weddings of doing this, it finally bit me a few weeks ago. It was a wedding in which I was having a terrible panic attack for a myriad of reasons, and wasn't paying attention. I had already introduced myself to the DJ, seemed nice enough, and he said he'd get me a copy of the schedule of events...which of course never happened. I told him that if he didn't mind, I was going to use my e604 to mic his speaker, and he says no problem.

The introductions/first dance/toasts all came immediately in a flash, and I was even monitoring on headphones, but didn't realize until the toasts had already started....he had turned his speaker into a different direction, and in the process, moved my mic stand out of the way, and put it behind his speaker! He told me,"oh yeah, sorry, I repositioned my speaker for the music." What a douchebag. Toasts/thank you's sounded like crap (e604 mixed with on-cam shotgun)...it was the worst video I've made in years....got one of the biggest raves from a client (who was also the biggest bridezilla I've ever seen) that I've got in years, however. Got the second TIP I've got EVER from a client. Go figure. She loved it.





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Brackish
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Jun 10, 2007, 4:30 PM

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Bauerjoe
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Jun 10, 2007, 6:44 PM

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I prefer to mic the speakers because on more than one occasion the feed the DJ ("sure, I know how to do that!") gave me doesn't include the mic or gets shut-off by the dufus in the middle of the toasts. I had heard that you can plug directly into their speakers with a matchbox and send that out to the camera via wireless. I've never had the nerve to try it. Does it work?

Joe
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Brackish
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Jun 10, 2007, 7:02 PM

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Bauerjoe
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Jun 10, 2007, 8:23 PM

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I'm enjoying my new career...though I didn't exactly choose the best time to go full time in Michigan! Wink

Joe
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MLiebergot
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Jun 10, 2007, 9:15 PM

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Joe you can plug into the back of a DJ's speaker. But I would recommend that most avoid this option now.
The reason being that many DJ's in my area are using powerd speaker sets. Which means that the speakers will produce enough juice that will fry whatever system you plug into them. Except of course electric guitars and such. But any recording gear that you may want to tap into a powered monitor speaker feed will melt your system So avoid this route if you can.

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Brackish
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Jun 10, 2007, 9:49 PM

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Bauerjoe
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Jun 11, 2007, 8:49 AM

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I don't know if Michigan is much different from anywhere else because Michigan is all I know. We have a mix of good and bad, probably like any other place. The percentage of brides using pro video has decreased over the last few years. I personally didn't feel it much last year, but this year we are defintely down. The average price of "pro" video has taken a real hit. I've seen ads for full coverage from $600-. The number of people buying a camcorder at Best Buy and calling themselves videographers has just skyrocketed. As you can imagine, the quality from these guys is trash, and between that and the economy is my guess why fewer brides here are using pro video. We're hanging in and diversifying and hoping that the economy picks up.

Joe
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