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What the heck do I set this to? (Zoom H4)

 

 


Timothy Harry
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Jan 7, 2008, 7:45 PM

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I used a zoom H2 for an event back in the middle of december and was very impressed with its quality etc, so much so that I asked the guy the church borrowed the recorder from how much he would rent it for because I really dont have a need for one but 2-3 times a year. He had a heck of a deal for me. He owns a music store that burned down about 2 months ago, and among his inventory was an H4 that got a little bit of soot on the outside case, but was otherwise just fine. Insurance had paid him to replace it, and left him the recorder to use for parts or whatever he could salvage. I traded him a VHS conversion job for it an now have a very handy tool in my arsenal.

I ran into a bit of a problem with the H2, in that I did not realize it was set to MP3, which meant I had to render the audio on my timeline and dont want to run into that with this recorder. I have it set to wave mode, but what should I set the bit rate and sampling to for DVCPRO 50 and DVCPRO HD audio? I really dont want to render audio files again.

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

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Ron Priest
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Jan 7, 2008, 7:57 PM

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I ran into a bit of a problem with the H2, in that I did not realize it was set to MP3, which meant I had to render the audio on my timeline and dont want to run into that with this recorder. I have it set to wave mode, but what should I set the bit rate and sampling to for DVCPRO 50 and DVCPRO HD audio? I really dont want to render audio files again.


That's a good question. I was wondering the same thing since FCP wants everything in 48kHz . I've been setting my H4 and Edirol R-4 both on 96kHz 24 bit. Now that I've converted over to FCP I was wondering if I need to down-sample my captured audio to 48kHz before I bring them into to Final Cut?
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Mark Foley
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Jan 8, 2008, 4:02 AM

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Rendering already captured files is not that big of deal (very little hit on quality, if all...probably would never/ever be noticed unless your compared the signals on a scope). Rule of thumb...always record (capture) at the highest sampling rate/bit depth your recorder can do. This will ensure the most accurate digital reproduction. Once captured, then, in the case of FCP's crippled capability...hehe, for example), adjust for your timline. If your using Vegas Timothy, just drop it on the timeline and rock...

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Timothy Harry
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Jan 8, 2008, 9:41 AM

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thanks mark.....I really like this recorder and have been playing with it all evening. I really cant gripe at all at the price I got it for either....

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

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Ron Priest
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Jan 10, 2008, 3:11 AM

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Rendering already captured files is not that big of deal (very little hit on quality, if all...probably would never/ever be noticed unless your compared the signals on a scope). Rule of thumb...always record (capture) at the highest sampling rate/bit depth your recorder can do. This will ensure the most accurate digital reproduction. Once captured, then, in the case of FCP's crippled capability...hehe, for example), adjust for your timline. If your using Vegas Timothy, just drop it on the timeline and rock...


Well, looking into it further I was wrong in my understanding of FCP's ability to utilize 96 kHz. Apparently 96 kHz is not a limitation of FCP, but a limitation of DV itself. if my research is correct, 48 kHz is the standard audio configuration for DV. Does that mean DV is not capable of 96 kHz, I don't know that answer.

Final Cut Pro can in-fact import audio with any bit depth and sample rate supported by QuickTime and Mac OS X Core Audio (32 to 96 kHz and 8 to 24 bit). FCP performs real-time bit depth conversion and sample rate conversion when your audio file settings don't match your sequence settings. However, less processor power is required when your audio file settings and sequence settings match.

Is this how Vegas handles the Sample Rates? I know Premiere conforms each audio file to a 32-bit floating-point data at the projects sample rate upon importing the files into a project. All audio is conformed when it is imported, even audio tracks in video files. Apple on the other hand, suggests that when you import audio files you should insure their settings match your sequence settings. If they don't, you can still edit with them, but FCP does a real-time conversion on playback which can reduce your processors performance (apparently so it can convert your sample rate to match the sequence settings). So this is why I was wondering if it would be better to convert all audio to 48 kHz before importing them. But, that seems like a lot of extra work when FCP will do it automatically for you.

So, I guess I'll continue doing what I'm doing and capturing as you said, the highest possible settings 96 kHz 24 Bit and let FCP convert it upon playback or render.
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Mark Foley
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Jan 10, 2008, 4:11 AM

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You do know I was just poking fun at you with FCP....

...most NLEs will choke when using 96kHz sampled files and even Vegas like to have some horsepower when using them. I'm not sure how Vegas handles the audio from a software code standpoint, just that it seems to really shine when it comes to audio given its heritage (started out as an audio-only program that added a video capability latter).

I would continue to capture at 96 and convert in FCP.

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Kenneth
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Jan 14, 2008, 2:27 AM

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FCP you want to do 16 bit at 48 khz. You'll never have to render with those settings )unless you add some effects).

When I use music I burn it from iTunes and the reimport it back in at 16 bit 48 khz. Of course it's not really 48, because it was original on the disk as 41.4, but to avoid render just bring it in at 48.
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Timothy Harry
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Jan 14, 2008, 12:04 PM

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thats what I ended up doing since I needed it as a crowd mic, and it needed to record for longer than the highest quality setting would allow. It imported perfectly.

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

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