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Help In Deciding What To Purchase

 

 


coupia
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:16 AM

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First I want to Thank you for the time that you are giving me to read this and in hopes of helping me. My son's birthday is this week. He goes to NYU . He wants to get into producing films etc.. like other do so in Manhatten. He is just 21 years old soon 22. He wants a camera for his birthday and I haven't a ton of cash this year due to his sister being in an auto accident last year. Medical bills. But I have saved up about $3,000. I went on ebay and looked around but wasn't sure. I have posted a few links below maybe someone can shine light on this and give me their opionion. He was telling me with these cams you can put them on a pc and edit them sounds etc.. that's really terrific. Nice forum. I just don't know what I'm doing and don't want to lose my cash that I don't really have to spend but it's his birthday. Here are a few and if anyone could help tell me if there good and or what's the highest to payout on.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(This one is nice but I looked at the bids and noticed the first bids were from the same person as if he was jacking the price up)

Here is another one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

I appreciate any help I can get.

http://cgi.ebay.com/..._VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX


I just need to know if the camera is worth $2,000 for the Canon XL1 mini DV

PLEASE HELP !!!


(This post was edited by coupia on Mar 20, 2006, 4:02 AM)


RatVega
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Mar 20, 2006, 2:26 PM

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First off, I commend you for not just throwing money or buying whatever fits your budget without any research - you're talking about a tool that your son may be using to make a name for himself.

The two cameras that seem to be quite popular with film students are the Canon XL and the Panasonic DVX. Both are a little over your budget new (the current Canon model is the XL-2, and the Panny is the DVX-100B) and both are fine cameras. One feature they share that appeals to those experimenting with images is 24 frame progressive mode (24p).

If I were in his shoes (knowing what I know now) my "affordable" ideal would the XL-2 because it can shoot normal video (60i) as well as 24p and 30p as well as standard format (4:3 aspect ratio) and widescreen (16:9 aspect ratio) without special lenses or attachments. The XL-1 and XL-1s cannot do this, neither can the Panasonic.

Everyone these days is fascinated with HD cams (and some are pretty cheap ) but actually finishing a project in HD typically involves special editing gear and when finished there is (currently) no way to produce a standard DVD. For all the flash, they're only practical for established videographers or those trying to get into HD without any immediate DVD-based delivery requirements.

If I were in your shoes, I'm want to know if your son is approaching this with 24p in mind, since there are several other options (like the Canon GL-2) that are affordable alternatives for someone who isn't interested in 24p. Timing is also important since new cameras are introduced every year at NAB, meaning your options will probably change. I've never bought a camera used because unless you are positive about its condition you can end up investing the cost of a new camera repairing a used one. Several XL-1s have shown up here lately with firewire port problems and the like. It's like buying a used engine "as is" - you never know it it's good for another 100,000 miles or will throw a rod next week.

If your son if like mine (as in: when he commits, he gets serious and completely applies himself) then I feel your pain in not being easily able to give him precisely what he needs. With the XL-2 around $4000 from a reputable dealer, I'd be talking seriously to him about where he's planning to go. If he says 24p isn't a big deal, I have him into a GL-2 with a nice accessory package in a heartbeat.

Good luck.





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coupia
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:01 PM

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Thank you so much for the detailed information. Glad to hear from someome. I will take your advise and look around first before I rush but time is a factor due to his birthday being this weekend or end of week.

Thank you,


Brian Dorr
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Mar 21, 2006, 12:05 AM

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I agree with RatVega. The XL2 is probably the overall best choice for your "indy filmaker" son. In addition to the filming features, it also has the built in XLR adapters for audio input. Which means a balanced signal that allows for clean audio.

I skimmed through Rat's reply so I may be repeating him here, but the XL2s also have the ability to change lenses, which is another reason why they're popular with the filmmaker. The movie "Full Frontal" by Steven Soderbergh was filmed with an XL1s.

I also agree with Rat on buying from a reputable retailer rather than on ebay. http://www.bhphotovideo.com is a good one.

The XL1 or XL1 is NOT ideal for event videography (i.e. weddings). I had one and it's just too much cam for events.

Good luck!

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