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Pro Mist or not

 

 


X-Paul
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Mar 27, 2001, 12:43 PM

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Hi all
I Just need a little help or advise on the subject of filters I
will be shooting my first short movie this summer and am thinking of using My Tiffen 1/2 Pro-Mist filter on my XL1 I hear you can achive a film look, not as good as 35mm but ok for some.
My question is should I really use this filter on my master or should I toy with filters in post production that are in programes such as Adobe AFX ? because as you know once it is on the tape you can't take it off. And also should I shoot in wide screen or not ? I hope someone can help thanks Paul....


X-Hal
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Mar 27, 2001, 3:10 PM

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Paul,
I've used Pro Mist filters a lot and think they improve the look of video in most cases. For some scenes you may want to go
with the #1 or #2. But if you want your feature to look more like
film, this is a good start.
If you haven't already, buy the filters and of course, do some
tests with and without the filter. The 1/2 is pretty light, but
still worthwhile I think. I don't really think you can get the
same effect in post, but if you did it would take a year of
rendering.
Let us know how it goes.
Hal


X-Loi_Banh
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Mar 28, 2001, 4:42 AM

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Hey Paul,
I had the same concerns about using Pro-mist filters on the raw footage, and after weighing the pro and cons, I've concluded that pre-filtering is the way to go. Some considerations, with specific issues with the XL-1.
The Canon XL-1, unlike the GL-1, doesn't have a sharpness setting and you'll probably find that dialing down the sharpness setting to something like 0 will yield a softer, more natural film-look. Since the XL-1 doesn't allow you to adjust the sharpness level, you're out of luck. The Pro-mist or Black Pro-mist 1/2 will knock the "bite" from high-contrast and edgy images and this is important.
By pre-filtering the image before it gets compressed, it's easier on the DV compressor and results in a significant reduction in compression artifacts like mosquito noise and posterization. If you decide to add pro-mist like effects in post, you'll be working on source footage that inherently has those DV artifacts. Not to mention your footage will be of second generation quality and precludes production time saved from the consequential re-renderings.
I work in wedding videography and in most cases, the 1/2 Tiffen pro-mist is permanently attached to my XL-1. ;) I like the film-look it provides and especially in this industry, it would not be economical to do this in post.
Even if it were economical, I feel the pro-mist look is hard to duplicate and especially with the 1/2 filter, it provides just the right amount of softening that is far superior to the crispy, contrasty look so familiar in "video" projects.
The only time I would suggest not using pro-mist is for effects work where you need the cleanest possible source footage. Even then, the XL-1 wouldnt be the best choice for a camera because it sharpens the image prior to writing to tape.
Hope this helps!
Loi Banh
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: Hi all
: I Just need a little help or advise on the subject of filters I
: will be shooting my first short movie this summer and am thinking of using My Tiffen 1/2 Pro-Mist filter on my XL1 I hear you can achive a film look, not as good as 35mm but ok for some.
: My question is should I really use this filter on my master or should I toy with filters in post production that are in programes such as Adobe AFX ? because as you know once it is on the tape you can't take it off. And also should I shoot in wide screen or not ? I hope someone can help thanks Paul....
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X-Bobbo
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Apr 1, 2001, 12:10 PM

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That's a tough call. Check it out first. I was convinced I'd be using Black Pro Mist .5 for everything. After a bit of testing I'm not so sure. The straight picture coming into the X is pretty nice. For outdoor stuff the BPM only worked for certain shots, for others it was pretty bad. Also tried using the 1/2 Black Diffusion FX. Similar results. Actually, looked worse outside. With the camera lens wide, you could clearly see the material on the lens.
For interiors it's a different story. The diffusion filters were pretty nice. They look better on non-moving or barely moving objects. So interiors were great, but grass blowing in the wind looked like hell. That's what we thought, at least.
: Hi all
: I Just need a little help or advise on the subject of filters I
: will be shooting my first short movie this summer and am thinking of using My Tiffen 1/2 Pro-Mist filter on my XL1 I hear you can achive a film look, not as good as 35mm but ok for some.
: My question is should I really use this filter on my master or should I toy with filters in post production that are in programes such as Adobe AFX ? because as you know once it is on the tape you can't take it off. And also should I shoot in wide screen or not ? I hope someone can help thanks Paul....
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X-Zack_Arias
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Apr 2, 2001, 11:15 PM

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Just my 2 cents here. If the pro mist is not giving you what you want outdoors and you are seeing the material on the image, you need to get that aperature opened up and possibly not shoot too wide. Do this by stacking on a strong ND.
Also, "film look" is obtained by having a shallow depth of field (in many cases) thus making the ability to shoot wide open even more desirable.
Thanks,
Zack Arias