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Still Having Problems Transferring From XL1s to Computer : RESOLVED!

 

 


Kenzilla
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Sep 20, 2005, 9:53 AM

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As I said in the thread below I'm having trouble getting the cam to computer transfer working. The firewire card shows up in device manager as "working properly" but neither of the capture programs I've tried recognise the camera. I did alot of searching and Googling on this and it appears to be a common problem. One thing that seems to be a clue that might point to the firewire cable is the fact that with the camera in the VCR mode, using AC power, nothing like "DV In" or "DV Out" is showing up in the view finder of the camera. With a proper connection shouldn't something be showing in the viewfinder to indicate that the connection is working?

I'm also seeing that even with this connection working there appear to be more possible problems with the transfer but first problems first I guess.

Once the connection is working will the camera show up anywhere such as in device manager or explorer as a "device"?

Getting a dedicated device for transfer of miniDV tape content is making more and more sense but I'd like to at least get this first shoot on the computer.

The recommended model Panasonic PV-DV102 is not that easy to find, right now there are none on eBay listed. This is probably by far the least expensive alternative to a dedicated miniDV deck.

Any help with this will be greatly appreciated, I thought the shoot would be the hardest part but....

Ken

Addendum: Are there any other models/makes of miniDV cameras that might work well for this purpose? I'm thinking also that at some point I will want to do "in car" shots with a camera mounted on the roll cage somewhere and if I could find a cam with remote control for turning it on and off once mounted that could also serve as a transfer device that would be cool. Any suggestions? Thanks


(This post was edited by Kenzilla on Sep 23, 2005, 12:17 AM)


RatVega
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Sep 20, 2005, 5:34 PM

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Hey Ken...

Wow, where to start? First, can you let us know what program you're capturing with? You mentioned that you'd probably be getting Vegas, did you? I guess it's possible to just capture to disk with a utility, but I don't know anyone doing that because many of the NLEs like to "take notes" as they capture. I'm on Final Cut, so I may not be much help in the late running, but I'm sure you'll have better luck by declaring the NLE.

Second, FireWire may be a standard, but that doesn't mean all FW-compatible programs are created equal. Another arguement for capturing to your editing system... at least you're dealing with a more limited set of possibilities.

It is possible that you have a camera problem. See if you can borrow another videocam and see if the footage will capture from it.

I endorse the use of a mini-DV deck for a variety of reasons, but this isn't one yet. Too many unknowns right now to be throwing big bux at the problem.

Your idea of an in-car cam is good, but experiment first - I've thought of this (always wanted to shoot drags, haven't yet...) and felt that the mounting might be tricky in order to keep the shake out. If you can work this our, your idea goes from good to great!

Keep the faith, you can do this!





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Kenzilla
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Sep 20, 2005, 6:30 PM

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Hey Ken...

Wow, where to start? First, can you let us know what program you're capturing with? You mentioned that you'd probably be getting Vegas, did you? I guess it's possible to just capture to disk with a utility, but I don't know anyone doing that because many of the NLEs like to "take notes" as they capture. I'm on Final Cut, so I may not be much help in the late running, but I'm sure you'll have better luck by declaring the NLE.

Second, FireWire may be a standard, but that doesn't mean all FW-compatible programs are created equal. Another arguement for capturing to your editing system... at least you're dealing with a more limited set of possibilities.

It is possible that you have a camera problem. See if you can borrow another videocam and see if the footage will capture from it.

I endorse the use of a mini-DV deck for a variety of reasons, but this isn't one yet. Too many unknowns right now to be throwing big bux at the problem.

Your idea of an in-car cam is good, but experiment first - I've thought of this (always wanted to shoot drags, haven't yet...) and felt that the mounting might be tricky in order to keep the shake out. If you can work this our, your idea goes from good to great!

Keep the faith, you can do this!


Thanks RV, boy, you would have loved the event Saturday. All sorts of classes, all sorts of cars and the finale was the jet powered semi truck burning down the old track tower. Here's my friend in action;



See the guy right behind him with the vidcam? Wink

Anyway, to get back to the capture problem, I've tried both with WinDV and Ulead Video Studio. I haven't gotten Vegas yet but to be honest, I don't think it would matter. I've tried this with two different firewire cards, both showing up in Device Manager as working properly, the cable supplied with the camera and today I tried again with a $30 "Geek Squad" cable, same result. I think it's the camera. The reason why is if I'm not mistaken there is supposed to be some sort of message in the viewfinder display that says something like "DV In" or "DV Out" or something like that, I've seen nothing. And if you caught the other thread where I announced that my "LANC device" problem had been solved, that turned out to be the camera. Tested the Varizoom LANC device on three other cameras and it worked fine. Also it's kindof a coincidence that the LANC port and the firewire port are located next to (top to bottom) each other. Trying another miniDV cam would be the thing to do but I know of no one here who has one. I've seen vid shot in car that was not that shaky. I guess the stabilization technology in some cams does the trick. It might not be rock solid but it's not so bad as to be objectionable.

I'm going to have to send the camera in one way or another to get the LANC port fixed though so I can have the firewire port checked at the same time. I'm going to contact the seller of the cam (I bought it used btw) because they said it had been check out by Sony prior to sale and see what they have to say. I'd just like to get this stuff I've already shot in a form I can send back to the team so they can analyze some of it. The footage you see me shooting above was done to analyze the launch and particular setups they were using. I might check tomorrow to see if there is anyone locally who could maybe put what I have now on DVD or something. I'm going tomorrow night to an 1/8th mile track to shoot the same car, so I'll have even more to capture after tomorrow. I guess I could just go to Best Buy or Circuit City and buy a cam, use it to playback the video and then take it back but I don't want to do something like that. It's not honest. But that's just me.

Thanks for your reply and taking an interest, and yes, I will get it done. Smile

Ken


RatVega
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Sep 20, 2005, 7:07 PM

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Sounds like you're on top of it...

I'll mention this just in case: I don't have an XL1, but all my GL2s have a menu option (I think it's in System) that is called "DV control". It's for controlling another camera via firewire. If you have something similar, make sure it's set to OFF. It might "fritz" the line and fool the 'puter.

BTW, how'd you get that shot from behind? Mirrors? Wink





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Kenzilla
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Sep 20, 2005, 7:19 PM

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BTW, how'd you get that shot from behind? Mirrors? Wink


Ha! I wish I were that clever. Lemme tell you, I was battling dehydration all day, sometimes I was lucky to be able to stand. And after the run you see in the pic a Pro Mod did a burnout before I could get clear and I thought I might not ever hear anything again...hard to put your hands over your ears with a camera in your hand. Those zoomies can put out some sound....

Ken


Kenzilla
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Sep 23, 2005, 12:28 AM

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Well I took the XL1s into Best Buy today and let the Geek Squad try to hook it up and it's pretty much confirmed, bad firewire port.

So, since I'm going to have to send it in to Canon, and I had planned to get something else to use as a deck, I got a ZR200 while I was there.

Brought it home, hooked it up and the computer recognised it right away.

So, I'm in business. I captured the tape using WinDV and did some minor editing using Ulead VideoStudio but I need to go ahead and get Vegas or whatever else I'm going to be using. No point in wasting "learning curve" time on a prog I'm not going to be using.

And interesting side note, none of the video I'm screen has any sound. I checked the camera and the mic is plugged in and I haven't seen a sound on/off feature anywhere (and beleive me, I've looked all over when trying to fix the firewire problem).

Might I have a bad mic/mic port too?

Ken


RatVega
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Sep 23, 2005, 1:28 AM

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Congrats and condolences in the same breath...

I'm glad you've solved the mystery, and I expect that your choice of a ZR200 will prove to be a wise one.

There isn't any On/Off switch that I know of on an XL1s, but there should be an Auto/Manual selection and audio level dials. There should also be a menu selection for audio levels in the EVF. Did you set up the audio levels before you started shooting? Personally, I'd have been a little paranoid because of the sound levels at the strip.

There is also a chance that your capture software and/or editor need to have audio info selected beforeback is possible.

I'd toss the casette in the ZR and see if you get audio in playback there. If it ain't on the tape, audio sync is going to be a bit¢h... Unsure

Here's hoping...





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Kenzilla
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Sep 23, 2005, 2:20 AM

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Congrats and condolences in the same breath...

I'm glad you've solved the mystery, and I expect that your choice of a ZR200 will prove to be a wise one.

There isn't any On/Off switch that I know of on an XL1s, but there should be an Auto/Manual selection and audio level dials. There should also be a menu selection for audio levels in the EVF. Did you set up the audio levels before you started shooting? Personally, I'd have been a little paranoid because of the sound levels at the strip.

There is also a chance that your capture software and/or editor need to have audio info selected beforeback is possible.

I'd toss the casette in the ZR and see if you get audio in playback there. If it ain't on the tape, audio sync is going to be a bit�h... Unsure

Here's hoping...

Well you shoot and you learn, I didn't think to do a point by point check of everything as most manual settings, manual meaning not in the viewfinder setup, were on auto. I just checked and the Audio input switch under the cover that opens on the left side was set at "Audio 1", not Mic or ATT....duh.....

Oh well, it's not like I lost a "once in a lifetime" shot or a record setting run, in fact it all could be done better. I will just chalk it up to a learning experience.

Another thing, I've put out alot more $$$ than I'd planned to on this stuff so I'm wondering, would it be a complete waste relearning the software to get Vegas Movie Studio+DVD for now? I mean, the learning curve might not be as steep, but hopefully there would be some consistancies that would carry through when I decide to get Vegas 6.

Also I found that having the capability to playback at the track after a run is very important. Not as much to me but to my friends so they can see how the car behaves and make adjustments. I ran across the Sony miniDV Walkman which looks like it would be very useful, not only as an editing deck but good portable playback device. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=242757&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

Thoughts?

Ken

Oh, and it looks like it was a good idea to snag a few of those 120GB hard drives when the stores had them on sale with rebates. I got three or four for around $50 each. Looks like I'm going to be building that new machine sooner than I thought.


(This post was edited by Kenzilla on Sep 23, 2005, 2:21 AM)


RatVega
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Sep 23, 2005, 3:28 AM

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I know that Ulead may not be as impressive sounding, but it works and right now you haven't had enough time on the ground to really know which system will best serve your needs. Heck, in the short term you could cut it on iMovie...

Take your time. Most NLEs are like 80% the same functionally, 20% bells and whistles until you get in really deep. The more you know what you want to do, the faster you'll learn it.

I looked at the little Sony. It implies, but doesn't explicitly state, that it can act as a deck. Call B&H and ask them - they're very knowledgeable and pretty nice guys. Another option would be a 4" or 5.6" color monitor on the cam. B&H handles these too. Some XL shooters use them.

You'll want to make FireWire drives with at least a couple of those new drives. FW Cases are out there, and easy to work with. Check www.transintl.com to see a couple of kinds. FireWire drives are great for "project files", and they'll work great when I convince you to get a Mac too. Smile

Speaking of drives, you'll want to consider a DTE drive like the Focus Enhancements FS-4 as things progress. Makes capturing a snap...





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Kenzilla
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Sep 23, 2005, 3:41 AM

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Another option would be a 4" or 5.6" color monitor on the cam.

Speaking of this, I hadn't intended to broach the subject until things got down the road a bit but I happen to have a brand new 5.6" LCD that I got for another project that I never got started on, it has one connector exactly like this;



Wonder how I could hook that up?

Probably would need it's own power.

Ken


Edward
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Sep 23, 2005, 10:41 AM

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Another thing, I've put out alot more $$$ than I'd planned to on this stuff so I'm wondering, would it be a complete waste relearning the software to get Vegas Movie Studio+DVD for now? I mean, the learning curve might not be as steep, but hopefully there would be some consistancies that would carry through when I decide to get Vegas 6.



Vegas Movie Studio and Vegas (the full version) both have the exact same interface. Everything you learn in Movie Studio will care over to the full version. The full version just has MANY additional features.
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