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Using a minidisc or mp3 recorder for backup audio?

 

 


jjyip
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Aug 9, 2005, 3:51 AM

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I just bought a XL1 to shoot weddings. I am trying to find out the best way to capture the vows since there are times when there is little or no amplification of the bride/groom. I have heard of the wirelss mic option, but I was wondering if anyone has just used a clip on mic and a small recorder (minidisc or mp3). I think it might simplify things a little. Less equipment to worry about and I can mix everything in post production. Can somebody bring up any cons to this method? Thanks.


chrissimms
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Aug 9, 2005, 5:19 AM

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There is plenty of info here just do a search in this forum for iriver.


ApocalypseMedia
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Sep 19, 2005, 4:47 PM

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Hi,

I've done quite a bit of mixing of audio and video together, even when the audio and video are not recorded on the same hardware. The shorts segments have never been a problem. I have been wondering how it would synch if I recorded a LONG portion onto minidisk or dat or whatever, then synched it up in my editing software... like an hour or so. I haven't done that yet, but here are my thoughts:

Even though both units are not following a time code together, the digital clocks in these modern devices are quite accurate. So later, when you take the sound file and lay it underneath your video file on the timeline, it should be no problem to nudge the sound file back and forth until it fits the video perfectly. If it were a really long file, such as an hour, there may be some lag, but how long are the vows anyway? Probably only a few minutes, and if there is some lag, you could always cut the file into three or four pieces and synch up each one. I think you'll find out that this is much easier than it seems. And you won't need to worry about radio dropouts.

My 14-year-old daughter did a little music video with her friends. They danced to a song they like while lip-synching to it (very well choreographed as well). The song was being played on a little CD boombox. The video was being recorded on a small DV camcorder. What she was NOT doing was recording the sound from the boombox onto the camcorder WHILE they were dancing. Then, later, she converted the song to a .wav file, put it on the timeline, and nudged it until it synched perfectly with the video. Cool thing is that for the entire length of the song (3½ minutes or so), the vocals are in perfect synch. It looks great. Even though they are using two different clocks in the originals, the two synched very well. My daughter is poised to become a great videographer and/or editor. A chip off the old block! I think you should jump over your fear and just do it!

Charlie
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RatVega
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Sep 19, 2005, 9:17 PM

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If you're good at audio/video sync, this is a viable option...

The downside is poorer audio quality and the need to convert to 48Khz/16-bit aduio somewhere along the line. Other possible downsides include possible theft and the possibility of losing the mic connection (the equivilent of a radio drop-out, only more permanent.)

I'm currently working on a piece of ceremony audio for a friend because the mini-recorder mic connection didn't work - at all. Have a back-up plan!





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AndrewMSV
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Oct 11, 2005, 2:27 PM

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Hi,

I use an XL1S with MA-100 XLR adaptor with an Azden wireless mic. This *IS* the best possible solution for you to capture vows. XL1's ability to capture two 12-bit stereo audio streams was created specifically for this purpose. Why reinvent the wheel?

Having said that, I do also use a Sony MD Player/Recorder as back up audio. I do one of two things with this device; 1) Plug it directly into the church/ceremony sound system to get ALL the audio coming over the house mics or 2) Use a microphone and put it near the speakers of the (usually outdoor) P.A. system.

I only use this audio as backup or if something comes across much more clearly on the MiniDisc than on my footage.

If you had to choose between the MP3 recorder or the MiniDisc, these are some pros and cons:
MiniDisc: Pro, SUPER high-quality; CON, you have to capture the audio real-time.
MP3: Pro, you can transfer files onto your computer like data; CON, audio is compressed and not as high quality.

Truth be told, if you are going to spend money on a device, spend it on a wireless microphone system. You will have added production value when you include it in your list of services and you will save yourself the trouble of synching sound on top of that!

Cheers!


Andrew
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MikeW
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Oct 13, 2005, 11:43 PM

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Trying to sync up audio from a CD or MP3 to video can be a real challenge.
I ' ve done it. I ' ve spent hours trying to get it right. CD & MP3 audio does not adhere to the video frame rate.

My advice: Try to get all your audio on videotape. Spends some money on a good wireless set--$250 up. Use a couple depending on the job.

Paying attention to your audio will make editing easier for you.