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Vivid colors with GL2

 

 


Leonardo Silva
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Jan 10, 2006, 8:12 AM

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Guys, I need help on getting manual control with my GL2. what settings in colors do I need? I've seen videos that have very vivid and briliant colors. but when i shoot mine, seems like it is quite pale... is there any lighting issue here? I usually use natural light with reflectors. Thank you guys.


RatVega
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Jan 10, 2006, 5:23 PM

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A good place to start with manual control is reading the manual.... Smile

All joking aside, if you refer to the manual in the area for set-up, you'll find that there are menus that allow tou to tune the color bias of your camera - or more to the point maybe get it back to normal. I shoot all our GL2s with the RGB, sharpness, etc. set to the default mid positions. This insures good versatility and makes matching cameras easy.

Some of that "richness" you're noticing may be the result of special enhancing filters, or more likely color adjustments in post.

If you don't know how to set white point and make adjustments in manual mode, read the manual until you understand what's happening and you'll end up with what you want, not what I'm using or what Freddy has.

If you don't understand color correction in post, learn that next. Between the two you can get a long ways towards a "signature look".





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AndrewMSV
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Jan 13, 2006, 6:10 PM

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A few things that popped into mind...

- Overexposed or very bright footage will also come out washed out.
- outdoors in sunny conditions, obey your camera's plea for the neutral density filter.
- indoor lighting will greatly affect your colors. either manual adjust white balance or use the white balance presets.
- does your tapestock have anything to do with the vividness of colors or your color range?
- how about your monitor?
- your viewfinder may also be tuned incorrectly - causing you to get overexposed (washed out) footage when you think you are getting good footage because your viewfinder shows everything dark.

Good luck!
Cheers!


Andrew
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Leonardo Silva
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Jan 16, 2006, 7:53 PM

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Thanks guys, over exposure is not a big issue for me, i usually give the ND filter if the cam plea.
not in the monitor as well because i have played other footages with the same monitor. what I lack is the good color in skin tone. the color is very rich and pleasing to eyes, which they say separates videographers from uncle sam. hope someone can help me out. thanks.


AndrewMSV
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Jan 16, 2006, 8:05 PM

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Leo,

first we need to know all of the settings you are using in your cam to be able to have a controlled test to pinpoint the problem.
What are all the settings?
are you comparing the footage to other cameras that shot in the exact same environment?

It seems to me a richness in skin tones will be a result of ambient lighting being warm or cool. Warm lighting will bring skin tones out more (warm = red, orange, yellow).
Also, the footage you see from other clips might have been enriched in post with filters or color correction. have you tried this?

Cheers!


Andrew
m o r n i n g__s t a r__v i d e o g r a p h y
sf chapter, vu california crew
I think we should turn that whole region into one shiny piece of radioactive glass. - CartoonChris




Leonardo Silva
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Jan 17, 2006, 1:55 AM

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thanks andrew, that's what i'm looking for..the post filters nad color correction..how is it done? haven't tried doing color correction in post. any guidelines in correcting colors? thanks again


RatVega
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Jan 17, 2006, 4:49 PM

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The list of "post filters" is very long and if you understand color correction at all, unimportant to your basic correction.

The basic thing to remember in color correction (as it bears on your stated problem) is that the NTSC color space is narrower than your camera or NLE. In RBG terms (where the range is 0-255 in R, G, and B) your colors should be in the 16-235 zone.

This means you add the CC filter and set white/black points, then reduce the highlights to 235 or less pretty much out-of-hand. If the shot is already hot, you'll want to go lower. I was just fixing some fried footage for a post customer that required a highlights setting of 170!

Reducing the highlights will kill the hardest part of the glare in skintones, but also slightly drops the overall brilliance. Your next step would probably be to move the black (shadow) point to improve the contrast, this also tends to darken things. Judicious use of your mid-range controls will allow you to restore the brilliance and result in an image with a "fatter" look - no superwhite blow-outs, better black contrast, and vibrance in the mid-tones. The next step is in setting color angles and magnitudes for fine color adjustment, but that's another story... First, you need to get the basics under control.

If I'm talking about things or constructs that aren't included in your color correction filter, then you may want to look at purchasing a CC filter that has more capability. Save the "post filters" for looks you can't easily create, not for fundamental color work.





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Leonardo Silva
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Jan 17, 2006, 8:18 PM

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Thanks rat vega, I'll try this, but what CC filter is useful? i'm using PPro. I really have to do sonthing about this... i think the video "look" i'm looking for is in the midtones area. thanks.


RatVega
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Jan 17, 2006, 9:02 PM

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I've read that PPro has a filter called Auto Color (and others that complement it) that will get you there. It's reportedly automatic or manual at your discretion.

I haven't used it, I'm a Final Cut Pro guy.

Learning color correction isn't the easiest thing, but it will give you the knowledge to get the look you want.





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Currently on a loaded 2.5GHz G5 dualie/5GB/1TB internal RAID/dual 19" monitors. Final Cut Studio, Adobe Suite, Boris RED. Shooting with Canon.

VU California Crew, Inland Empire Sub-Chapter (paragraph?)


AndrewMSV
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Jan 18, 2006, 10:00 PM

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In Premiere, the Levels control will give all your footage a nice boost in richness and contrast.
Hue/Saturation controls can help control the color tint.

Play around and find what works best with the footage you have.
The best thing you can do for yourself is to save these settings as presets for future use.

Cheers!


Andrew
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sf chapter, vu california crew
I think we should turn that whole region into one shiny piece of radioactive glass. - CartoonChris