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XL1 color temperature shift

 

 


X-Susan_Boeckmann
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Mar 3, 2004, 4:37 PM

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For the last two years I have been shooting monthly college board meetings using three XL1s connected to a switcher. Things have always gone smoothly enough until last month. We were shooting in a new location filled with acres of old florescent lights. During the evening we noticed that the color temp of the picture on our program monitor was slowly shifting back and forth (every 5 seconds or so) between very cold and very warm (almost orange.) Two out of the three cameras were affected. The third camera, facing the opposite direction, was fine.
Initially we wanted to blame the florescent lights. We had the cameras on automatic WB. We tried changing to automatic WB to see if the cameras could compensate on their own, but it only got worse (leading us to read manual WB on the fly.)
Has anyone experienced or heard of someone experiencing difficulty with white balance on the XL1? Has anyone experienced or heard of someone experiencing such a radical phenomenon related to florescent lights?


X-Shaggy
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Mar 3, 2004, 4:54 PM

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Hi,
I had the same problem, but I was to this
"Did it change once, or did it start to change back and forth at a farily constant rate?
(can be caused by using high shutter speeds with flourescent or other discharge
type lighting)
Is it related to scene content or camera angle, as in a shift from mainly artificial to
natural light? (scenes with incandescent lighting can look much more orange, and
the camcorder will see this while the eye automaticaly adapts)
Laser in the cabin? Could you describe the lighting conditions in the cabin and the
camcorder settings?"
But if someone else has idea. Bring me in
Shaggy
Thanx


X-Waldemar_Winkler
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Mar 4, 2004, 8:14 PM

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Have you recently removed the lenses on the XL1's for any reason? If so, carefully
clean the mounting plates of both camera and lenses with a solvent like denatured
alcohol. Here is why:
Many years ago I was preparing my cameras for a multi-camera shoot of a business
meeting. Shortly into my set-up I noticed one of my cameras was horribly green,
and try as I might, I couldn't make the green go away. The shoot was just a few
hours away, and I was in a rural location that made deliver of replacement
equipment impossible. In a panic I placed a call to the manufacturers tech support.
When I explained my camera's symptoms to the support tech, he gave tthe following
answer:
"I think I know your problem. This happened to me not too long ago, and it took
me two weeks to figure out the solution. To save space, negative electrical
connection for the
camera's many operating features is run through the camera chassis. Over time and
normal use the exposed parts of the chassis will acquire a thin film of grime from
dust, humidity, fingerprints, etc. This film can alter electrical resistance just enough
to make your camera do some very strange things."
I immediately cleaned the mounting plates of both camera and lens and voila! The
green was gone. I had perfect color. And the shoot was a success.
Just a thought. Hope it helps.

: For the last two years I have been shooting monthly college board meetings using
three XL1s connected to a switcher. Things have always gone smoothly enough
until last month. We were shooting in a new location filled with acres of old
florescent lights. During the evening we noticed that the color temp of the picture
on our program monitor was slowly shifting back and forth (every 5 seconds or so)
between very cold and very warm (almost orange.) Two out of the three cameras
were affected. The third camera, facing the opposite direction, was fine.
: Initially we wanted to blame the florescent lights. We had the cameras on
automatic WB. We tried changing to automatic WB to see if the cameras could
compensate on their own, but it only got worse (leading us to read manual WB on
the fly.)
: Has anyone experienced or heard of someone experiencing difficulty with white
balance on the XL1? Has anyone experienced or heard of someone experiencing
such a radical phenomenon related to florescent lights?


X-don
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Mar 5, 2004, 6:11 AM

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: During the evening we noticed that the color temp of the picture on our program monitor was slowly shifting back and forth (every 5 seconds or so) between very cold and very warm (almost orange.)
Can happen if the camera is set to a high shutter speed, (above 120th.) Try it using a shutter of 1/60th, see if the problem goes away.


X-Susan_Boeckmann
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Mar 10, 2004, 10:46 PM

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Thanks for responding! Another person mentioned that it could have been caused by a high shutter speed interacting with the flourescent lights. We did have all the cameras at 1/60 (the slowest setting.) Nevertheless I like this possible explanation the best. I'll bring it up to our senior tech and see what she has to say.
In the summer we often have trouble with color balance when the daylight coming through the windows fades as night falls. But that is always gradual. It's definitely was not an issue this time of moving from one kind of lighting to another.
Thanks again