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digital cam used w/o firewire

X-dave_roberts
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Feb 20, 1999, 11:35 AM

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I am thinking about buying a mini-dv camera. I do not have a firewire connection for my cassie. What will this do to the quality of my video if I import through an S-Video cable ?
Would it be better to buy a nice s-vhs camera ? or will my quality still be better with a digital camera ?

X-Carroll_Lam
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Feb 20, 1999, 1:32 PM

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: I am thinking about buying a mini-dv camera. I do not have a firewire connection for my cassie. What will this do to the quality of my video if I import through an S-Video cable ?
: Would it be better to buy a nice s-vhs camera ? or will my quality still be better with a digital camera ?
Yes it will,Dave. Significantly better. And if you purchase one of the DV vidcams that also has a Y/C input capability (e.g., Sony TRV-9, -900) you'll have essentially no generation loss recording you edited product back to the vidcam for archiving.
Carroll Lam

X-Ron_Klopfanstein
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Feb 20, 1999, 3:02 PM

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I've never used one of these forums before but I have a question. I am loading in the 3.0 software and the screen keeps blinking. Do you know how to make it stop blinking?
: I am thinking about buying a mini-dv camera. I do not have a firewire connection for my cassie. What will this do to the quality of my video if I import through an S-Video cable ?
: Would it be better to buy a nice s-vhs camera ? or will my quality still be better with a digital camera ?

X-Mike_Noble
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Feb 20, 1999, 5:41 PM

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I input X2b footage via y/c and find quality supurb.Still use TRV9 as outboard deck for extra video S/N. When downloading to tape I run signal through AGDS550 with the digital noise reduction activated and copies are very smooth. The TRV9s optics and limited signal processing within that tiny package are not at all usable in most situations. The X2bs shoot rings around these mini cams. And without enough light the mini cams image is not usable. TRV9 requires manual iris operation to properly acquire at least a usable image.The cam is good for archiving projects from the Cassie. If you import a noisy substandard digital source,firewire won't clean it up. Go with a higher end 1/2 to 2/3" CCD digital cam at 10-20 grand or use the X2b or KY19 or KY27s for wonderful results. Aloha, Mike

X-Chris_Tegard
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Feb 22, 1999, 8:06 AM

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I agree with Mike. My footage shot on a KY19 and input to the Cassie via S-input is far superior to anything I have seen on digital except for the DSR300. I also have a TRV900 and it is just a toy compared to a good 1/2" or 2/3" 3-CCD camera like the KY19 or KY27 (which are far better than the X2B also).
: I input X2b footage via y/c and find quality supurb.Still use TRV9 as outboard deck for extra video S/N. When downloading to tape I run signal through AGDS550 with the digital noise reduction activated and copies are very smooth. The TRV9s optics and limited signal processing within that tiny package are not at all usable in most situations. The X2bs shoot rings around these mini cams. And without enough light the mini cams image is not usable. TRV9 requires manual iris operation to properly acquire at least a usable image.The cam is good for archiving projects from the Cassie. If you import a noisy substandard digital source,firewire won't clean it up. Go with a higher end 1/2 to 2/3" CCD digital cam at 10-20 grand or use the X2b or KY19 or KY27s for wonderful results. Aloha, Mike

X-Mike_Noble
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Feb 23, 1999, 12:10 AM

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Have a Ky 27 b also Chris w/422back but these newbies have no knowledge of this cam. The Ky19 awhile back as a borrowed 3rd cam and found pix exactly like my X2bs... Specs are identical including chip size and Sony make CCDs which are also used in Panasonic and Toshiba (3)1/2" CCD cams.These little Trv9s and 900s are indeed toys but when used as outboard recorders, as you have no doubt found,smooth betacam like pix are the reward.Optics and processing means all.Compare the X2b and KY19 side to side.I think you'll find the 19 exactly like the X2b. The 19 can change backs though. Why doesn't JVC retro fit a digital back to all those thousands of X2bs out there? Missing the money boat.... Aloha,Mike

X-Chris_Tegard
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Feb 23, 1999, 8:20 AM

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Sorry to disagree Mike. I have compared my KY19's with two X2B's and the X2B's lose. I don't know what the difference is but in a low light situation the KY19's were much brighter and had much better (detail and color) pictures. In fact, my friend had to put his gain up to 6db on his X2B's to match the KY19 at 0db gain. He was very disappointed in his camera's performance but could not afford the difference in price to go up to the KY19. Maybe mine have just been tweeked (sp??) perfectly but they look as good as the KY27C easily. Just wish they had the star filter on the wheel.
: Have a Ky 27 b also Chris w/422back but these newbies have no knowledge of this cam. The Ky19 awhile back as a borrowed 3rd cam and found pix exactly like my X2bs... Specs are identical including chip size and Sony make CCDs which are also used in Panasonic and Toshiba (3)1/2" CCD cams.These little Trv9s and 900s are indeed toys but when used as outboard recorders, as you have no doubt found,smooth betacam like pix are the reward.Optics and processing means all.Compare the X2b and KY19 side to side.I think you'll find the 19 exactly like the X2b. The 19 can change backs though. Why doesn't JVC retro fit a digital back to all those thousands of X2bs out there? Missing the money boat.... Aloha,Mike

X-Mike_Noble
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Feb 24, 1999, 4:05 AM

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Well Kris you obviosly have a problem with reality. Get yourself spectacles and look a bit closer at your monitor...then pick up a finer cam like the Hitachi 3000. Just received mine and no other cam can approach it in price range....you really must have one.JVC is history indeed.Time you came up to truly pro status...Aloha from Waikiki, Mike