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Brackish
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Heaven forbid that photographers should actually have to do any post-event work to earn their paychecks, or actually get to have any direct control of the quality of their output! Sorry, but I don't see how this is a problem unless it means they have to charge a few more bucks so they can pay someone to do some of their color correction for them. And by the way, there's nothing to stop anyone from continuing to use film, so something doesn't add up here.

Personally I think digital photography is a huge benefit for both personal and professional pictures, and I can't imagine going back to using film for anything but very specialized purposes.


Brackish
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mjeppsen
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Jun 6, 2005, 9:42 AM

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One thing I noticed about this photographer was that -- unlike all the
other digital photographers I've seen -- he did not look at the back of
his camera after each picture to see how it turned out.


Yeah, I worked with one like that last weekend. She would setup a shot, hammer off 3-5 quick snaps, and without even so much as a glance at the LCD say "that's great, thanks" and move on. My thought was, "she's either really confident, or really stupid." Unsure Seemed to be the former...

Matt Jeppsen
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Brackish
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mjeppsen
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Jun 6, 2005, 10:33 AM

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This one only took one snap, not 3-5, of the formals.
Oh YEAH?? Well, MY photog only took HALF a snap... TOP THAT SUCKA!
lol LaughTongue

My impression was that this guy was confident. He mentioned having been shooting film for many
years prior to going digital a couple years back.

I think that's the difference...someone that didn't grow up with the crutch that digital CAN be. However, I do think that the benefits of digital FAR outweigh the advantages of film, and in the hands of a skilled professional a digital camera is a beautiful thing.

P.S. What are you doing over on this forum?
Same thing that you are. Tongue


Matt Jeppsen
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Brackish
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Jun 6, 2005, 10:36 AM

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mjeppsen
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Jun 6, 2005, 10:39 AM

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No. I have an interest in photography, I believe there are so many concepts and principles that transfer well to video (it's good practice), but I have no intention of adding still photography services.

Matt Jeppsen
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Jun 6, 2005, 12:59 PM

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If you move to hdv or whatever comes next, you will be able to make very acceptable prints straight from the nle. With PS CS2 there is very little loss from deinterlacing so you have 2 megapixel quality to work with before you add in smartscale or genuine fractals. So for no extra expense, you can get rid of those pesky photojournalists.


Colvin Eccleston
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dMb
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Jun 20, 2005, 2:41 AM

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In Reply To
Hey Matt,


P.S. What are you doing over on this forum? Smile



He's stalking you ........


again :)


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Jun 20, 2005, 4:14 PM

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Wait a minute...you are ALL over here now!!! Wait! I'm not really here...ignore me...Angelic
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Jun 28, 2005, 8:36 PM

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Well from my point of view from working with a studio that did everything from develop the negs to the final 16x20 and framing and now working with a 20D................the big thing is that everything you did with chemicals, is now being done on a computer. It took time to mix the chemicals, time to make the test prints for the proofs, and then make the proofs. Then make the enlargements. Oh, then there was mounting the print to foamcore then the framing.........and you HAD to do that right the first time.

Digital.........hmmmm. Download the chip to the hard drive, do your color corrections, contrast adjustments, and croping on a calibrated crt screen. LCD laptops wont calibrate well at all. Burn the whole thing on a cd and deliver to the customer, let them make the prints or send out the cd for professional printing. Editing time for a graduation party was about 4 1/2 hrs with interruptions and screwups. There was aproximately 120 images.
Never start editing from the chip. The ENTIRE contents goes to the hard drive first. Dont do this when your are tired, sleepy, impared, whatever..........When you delete something from the chip it doesnt go into the recycle bin. You get to use instead, your copy of Sandisk recovery software and sweat bullets.
Save a folder of all the original stuff along with a folder of the final edit.
I LIKE doing the final editing. You get to do that final tweaking of the way you want it to be. You become the artist. You see it instantly. It's just like the darkroom but without the chemical odors and spent paper.
And I can look out the window at the same time.

WLR


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videochicke
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Jul 6, 2005, 8:44 AM

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I can see how the workload has gone up. Many take 600 pics or more per wedding. If you spend just one minute looking at each, deciding whether or not it is a keeper, and cropping it or adding filters, removing pimples etc., that is 10 hours right there. And a minute is not a long timed to spend on a picture.
Julie


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Jul 6, 2005, 3:54 PM

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I did a wedding in June that resulted in 2,196 photos. It was a two day event. Shot about 600 on the first day with one camera and over 1500 the second day with 2 shooters. I thought it was going to take forever to go through all those photos afterwards! The bride is coming to see them for the first time today. That was an Indian wedding - quite different (for me) - but even with a standard protestant wedding, we usually shoot around 700-800 photos.

After the wedding I go through every single photo one by one and touch up as needed, create a number of effect shots, collages etc, and then make digital albums for the web or disc delivery. It's a lot of time consuming and sometimes tedious work. I spend roughly the same amount of post time on photography as I do a full blown edited wedding video.


adtr
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Jul 6, 2005, 3:59 PM

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Sounds like you do the work before you have even sold the picture? Why? Do you sell packages of a certain amount of images?


Colvin Eccleston
manchesterweddingstudio.co.uk


kcpopps
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Jul 6, 2005, 4:18 PM

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It's true that I spend time on photos that never get ordered or printed. I just feel like I have to. Even if they don't order them, the customer will see every photo prior to making order selections... so I want them all to look pretty close to finished condition the first time they see them. Lots of other people see them too - on the web. Maybe there's a better way.... I don't know, I just like completing the entire group all at once so that later, every and any photo that might be ordered is ready to print.


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1 workflow I have seen suggested is that you use something like adobe bridge to flag photos into 3 classes as "good enough to be finished", "leave for further work" and "bin".
Pick the best to get to final quality if you are confident you can sell them, run a tidying action on the next group and prepare them into a proof album to get extra sales, keep the rest, as is, in case they cover any requests like "Did you get a shot of Aunt Jen?"


Colvin Eccleston
manchesterweddingstudio.co.uk


Brackish
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topic on numbers
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Cn3s


Colvin Eccleston
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