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Brackish
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adtr
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Most of the 'hitched' brides know that digital lets them have all the effects and the copies on CD so that is what they prefer.


Colvin Eccleston
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Scott Brooks
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Most of the 'hitched' brides know that digital lets them have all the effects and the copies on CD so that is what they prefer.

I would have to agree. At one time I think there was a huge bias against digital, but there has been a pretty major swing over the past few years. I think many of the myths about digital not being good enought to make large prints have been proven wrong.

I did have one bride question me about the longevity of the prints from digital. These days it's all about paper and the ink. So yeah ... if I'm running prints off my R-200, don't expect them to last very long. But even Sams and Wal-Mart are using Fuji printers and they should last about as long as anything else.


amphora
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Jul 10, 2005, 9:09 PM

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I was wondering how often the clients want to know which medium you shoot?

I would say about 90% of our clients this year asked at one point what format we were shooting in. Several just had a list of questions to ask and did not really care, but most asked that question right away.


And how often are they only looking for film coverage?

We have had two requests this year I believe. So that would be a very low percentage overall. We have an assistant who shoots in film but we haven't needed ot bring her along yet. For the amoutn of business you lose vs the hassle and extra equipment, I would strongly suggest going 100% digital. Really depends on the editing as well though. We present a very polish product and explain why digital is the way to go. Many like email rez prints on cd too, which is much easier with digital.

And is shooting in digital ever considered an advantage by the
customer?

Most want digital that ask. They like having the prints on cd and although we try to stick to email rez, they stil llike this option. After showing them our work, I think all the lcients that book with us would not choose film over digital and we book almost everybody that we actually get into our studio.


videochicke
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Jul 13, 2005, 8:48 AM

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The studio I work for does photography also. Clients choose which format they want. Most are going digital. The photogs I know that do both prefer the freedom of digital. No loading film and having to count shots left all the time. Some medium format cameras get 12 shots per roll. And every time you press the shutter, between the film, processing and proof, the estimate out there is $1.25 per picture. Take 500 pictures, and you are already $600 in the hole. From a customers standpoint, I would want digital for my daughter's weddings. My daughters and I are blinkers. At least with digital, the photgrapher can keep shooting until we actually have our eyes open!
Julie


KevinShaw
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Jul 18, 2005, 2:53 PM

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I did have one bride question me about the longevity of the prints from digital. These days it's all about paper and the ink. So yeah ... if I'm running prints off my R-200, don't expect them to last very long. But even Sams and Wal-Mart are using Fuji printers and they should last about as long as anything else.



The longetivity of a print has nothing to do with whether the source image was film or digital, and everything to do with how the print is made. I would argue that digital photography has a huge advantage in terms of longetivity, because in theory you can maintain the exact full quality of the original image forever, or at least as long as someone maintains a copy of the file in a format which can be read on available hardware. With film both the negatives and prints will inherently deteriorate from the day they are created, with no way to stop this short of scanning the images to digital. Plus there's no easy to way to make a good duplicate of a film negative for purposes of storing safely, so if your negatives get burned in a fire or something you're out of luck. With digital you can easily and inexpensively replicate all of your originals as many times as you want and store them in multiple locations for maximum security, so if you're paranoid about that sort of thing digital gives a great answer to that.

Personally I can't see any reason to use film any more except for very specific purposes where you're sure you can only get the image characteristics you want that way. For typical wedding photography it seems rather pointless, and if I were hiring a photographer I'd prefer someone who shoots digital. It's more environmentally friendly too, at least on a per-picture basis.


al4video
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Jul 21, 2005, 6:33 PM

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Kevin

The phototgrapher in my studio is still doing film and she's doing probably close to $180,000 a year. And her business iis booming Brides could give a rats ass about what you shoot in. I think Brides like the pictures and more importantly, they book because they like you.

Now she does own digital. A Fugi S3 with a bunch of Nikon glass, but only takes it out on commercial gigs that demand it. Such as Essence Festival demads digital. But she shoots 100% of her weddings in film.

AL


KevinShaw
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Jul 22, 2005, 11:00 PM

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Al: that's cool, I'm happy for her. Me personally, I'm done with film and glad to be rid of it! :-)


al4video
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Jul 23, 2005, 12:45 AM

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Yeah, I hear you.

This girl is more of a real photographer and a business person then a gadget person. It shows in the kind of money she's pulling down.

Al


KevinShaw
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Jul 23, 2005, 11:31 AM

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Hey Al, glad to see you haven't lost your "people touch." I think we'd both agree that technology isn't what makes someone successful in this industry, plus as you said clients don't really care what we do so long as the results are satisfactory. But I still think film deserves to go the way of the Dodo bird as quickly as possible, and I will continue to utilize and advocate digital solutions. If someone else wants to rely on film because that works for them that's okay by me, although the environmental issue is a non-trivial one in my book. To each their own.


al4video
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Jul 23, 2005, 11:41 AM

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I think it has less to do with people skills and more with business skills.

If she's doing $180,000 with equipment that should go the way of the Dodo bird, I think that's a pretty smart investment. And she works alone.

I think you are emotionally attached to the trinket side of the business then the functional and savvy side.

After all Kevin, it's people skills that take you way beyond equipment.

Al


KevinShaw
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Jul 23, 2005, 1:13 PM

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Al: I've been around about this before with various folks and make no pretense of the fact that I like playing with the latest technology, plus I have no argument with the notion that I have much to learn in terms of both artistry and business. That said, one of the reasons I like digital photography is that it eliminates a significant up-front expense for something like photographing a wedding, making it easier to turn a profit while targeting entry-level clientele. That's a business model which works for me for now, and I will avoid film for financial reasons as well as technical ones unless I encounter a motivation to do otherwise.

By the way, I would point out that even film photographers make use of their share of technology and would likely not be willing to give that up. I'd bet your photographer doesn't shoot with a Kodak Brownie camera or use daguerrotypes, so what's up with that? Could it be that the technology Ansel Adams used isn't good enough for modern wedding photography, or maybe not convenient enough in some way? I'd suggest that the same reasoning has something to do with why many experienced wedding photgraphers (much more experienced than me) are going digital.


al4video
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Jul 23, 2005, 4:56 PM

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You seemed to have missed the point....i have a tendency to lean toward technology too. But lately putting it undre control for business reasons.

The question was how much do clients care about digital?

Answer: Looking at some successful videographers that are close to me....not very much.

Your refereences to Ansel Adams make no sense. No comment.

When you can make more bucks then SEVERAL of your competitors combined, leveraging an investment that's been paid for many years ago, you have to wonder who the real Dodo bird is?

And that's no anti digital statement I myself will be purchasing digital photo equipment real soon. Canon 20d and lenses to be exact. But I doubt brides will care.

But that's why you see all this silly stuff on WEDDING VIDEOGRAPHERS websites about 3 chip digital cameras. As if the Bride should be eccited by that.

Al


KevinShaw
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Jul 25, 2005, 3:16 AM

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The question was how much do clients care about digital?

Answer: Looking at some successful videographers that are close to me....not very much.

Okay, so we agree that clients are primarily concerned with results, not technology. But in just a few short years we're seeing that digital photography is becoming a more effective, convenient and affordable way to deliver the results clients want, and they'll appreciate that whether they know or care about the technology behind it. The number of film hold-outs is dropping rapidly and this trend is sure to continue, until only a handful of wedding photographers will rely primarily on film. It's pretty much inevitable now, so it's almost a moot point whether a few clients still have any preference.