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Brackish
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do a search on giclee and you should find enough links. No point doing it on small prints and the framing should be a separate source of profit, not something to throw in. You can have real canvas or textured prints or even a texture effect on normal paper. Even on real canvas there are choices of how the image is put on and it is too involved to go into here. You can price the range according to how close it is to a real canvas painting. Most online printers offer a few versions and will have better descriptions than I have given.


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Beth Ann
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May 23, 2006, 9:20 PM

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Brackish, I've used the canvas cloth for printing through my HP 1220. It is a wider than usual printer, and can print up to 13 X 19. So, I was able to print 11X14 prints that I then stretched on canvas stretchers and finished with a protective lacquer. As far as I know, the prints are still holding up.

Office Depot carries their own brand of 8X10 print canvas. A local art supply store carries large sheets and rolls, and I've purchased that for the 11X14's. I think it's really cool stuff.

All you need is the canvas, canvas pliers (I got mine a Michael's), the wooden canvas stretchers, and a good staple-gun.

Let me know if you have anymore questions. I'll try to help.

Take care.

__Beth Ann

Doxa Heritage Wedding Productions


Brackish
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Definitely a more classy appearance. And you can charge alot more for it. Check out the prices of a local print place---the difference is astronomical. I think the "brush stroke" look is done with gel medium (?), and I found information a good while back on how to do this yourself. I tried it, but if I remember correctly, it tinted the picture down a good deal changing the tone pinkish, I think.

I have limited experience with this, but I'm sure you can find out more information on the web. My concern is the "life" of the canvas. The ones I did a couple of years ago still look the same, but I don't know what they will look like years from now. And Brack, I know from your posts you have a lot of integrity in your approach to business (a very admirable quality), so I know you would want to research regarding the canvas-print life, and let your customers know up front. Here's basically what I shared with them: I have sealed your canvas with a UV-protected coating, and from what I understand from my sources, this print should be to archival standards. But a 100 years down the road someone viewing the print may be able to tell it has aged. Of course, displaying your canvas out of direct sunlight and away from direct heat or cold is going to extend its life . . . blah, blah, blah

Stretching the canvas is necessary to place it in the open-back frames. I've taken frames that were not open-back and removed the easel thing, and the portrait fit great. Oh, you also need the brackets for keeping the stretched-canvas in the frame.

Here's more info. http://www.fredrixartistcanvas.com/ I think I called the stretcher-bars the wrong thing in my previous post.

Here's a source for the stretcher bars -- http://www.artsuppliesonline.com/...log.cfm?cata_id=1331 which can be a pain to get at a perfect 90 degree angle---or maybe that comes with more experience. But worth it, of course.

Canvas Pliers . . . http://www.artsuppliesonline.com/...log.cfm?cata_id=1329 There are other styles and brands available.

Frame clips for the stretcher bars are like this: http://www.artxpress.com/...;czuid=1119901935158

I don't know about any of these places. I buy my materials locally. But at least they give you an idea of what you are looking for.

I hope this helps. Let me know how it turns out. (BTW, you've given me the bug to do this again. All the more reason to invest in a high-def camera for a good frame grab, and then print a canvas for $, huh? The images on my homepage are from an old Sony handicam, and I actually printed, stretched, and framed an 8 X 10 for the B&G and MOG. They LOVED it! Very little investment -$15 each tops-, and it was lagniappe for them.)

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Beth Ann


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Frames can be a big profit centre for you!


Colvin Eccleston
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Beth Ann
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May 25, 2006, 2:16 PM

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Brack, Colvin's right. Buy frames from the clearance bin or Target or,
Blush I've even bought a "nice" wooden frame from Wal-mart. Blush
It was amazing what a good canvas-print portrait did for a $10 frame. (I think it was that cheap).

The print-canvas is actually cloth canvas with a coating for taking printer ink.

__Beth Ann

Doxa Heritage Wedding Productions


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May 25, 2006, 2:19 PM

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http://www.fredrixprintcanvas.com/...yaskedquestions.html <----This tells about the print-canvas. Interesting stuff!

Now let's see some masterpieces!!! Smile

__Beth Ann

Doxa Heritage Wedding Productions


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Storm Crow suggested trying MPIX for printing. I see they offer canvas printing/framing as well...might be worth checking out. I haven't used them for anything yet, but am thinking of getting some enlargements for some of my pictures, whenever I get a better film scanner.

They've got a great website...seems easy to use.




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They were frame-grabs from Hi8 or digital 8 sony handycam. I bought it maybe about 5 or 6 years ago.

I couldn't find the "Premium Canvas Cloth" online either. Maybe if you call your local store.

I've got a package I'll give you if you want to pm me with the address. It's got 8 sheets left. Enough for you to experiment with. Just lemme know Smile

__Beth Ann

Doxa Heritage Wedding Productions


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Jun 5, 2006, 4:42 PM

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I use Mpix (www.mpix.com) all the time and have had several Canvas prints done from them. I have been extreamly pleased, the prices were good compaired to others and the quality was great. I forget exactly the sizes I've done but several were very large! I took the pictures on a Canon 20D at the highest resolution, uploaded them and had it shipped overnight, it sometimes takes them an extra day to finish a canvas but still very quick.

.... Gary


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We did a 20 by 24 and it was streatched out on stretcher frame but you have various options. The last one we did was a smaller one on just mattboard. They ship it either Fedx ($10 standard fee no matter how many pictures) for overnight or VIA standard for $5 which is US Mail. I usually opt to go fedx since US mail takes so long.

... Gary


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No you can choose if you want the canvas on a stretcher frame or just on a mattboard. We've done both. The last was just on a mattboard and we put it into a standard picture frame. We had to take the glass out of the frame though since the mattboard made it too tight to fit with the glass as we didn't want the picture pressing against the glass. I'm not any expert on picture frames so we might could find one that fit that had the glass as I would preferr that for added protection but it was just a picture for myself on our wall and that's what we had handy.

Then some we have taken to a place locally to have a picture frame custom made for the very large canvas sizes and we had the customer just pay for the cost of the frame which can be expensive. I also noticed that locally that they would take any picture and convert it to a canvas for you at the picture framing place. They cost was almost double of what we paid with mpix and theirs didn't look any better although I don't know how it could look any better than what we had from Mpix! OF course, you have to have a good picture to make a good picture.

... Gary


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My wife and I have been very pleased with Mpix. I don't know if our results are typical but so far they have been rock solid on getting everything to us on time. If I upload by 11:00am they will ship it the same day so I'll have it tomorrow. They said they can't guarentee that but so far they've hit it. Canvas sometimes may take an extra day to complete but $10 for any size order overnight is great. If you only order a handful of pictures it may be a little expensive.

They have metallic paper which I've not seen anyone else have. It really brings out the colors in photo's, it has a unique look that you can't get just anywhere. It's all professional paper (says that on the back so it looks good to a customer), not your Walmart paper... They can't complete with Walmart's 19 cent prints but their prints are not 19 cent quality either. I can't tell you how many times I've been to Walmart or Walgreen's for photo's and they came out wrong due to miscalibrated equipment, afterall the 18 year old kid running the machine at Walgreen's who had a 30 minute training session on their type of equipment doesn't do a lot for you. Maybe ok for vacation pictures but we don't even do that, we sent all our vacation pictures to Mpix too. Mpix is a devision of Millers who does even higher end photo processing but we do not do enough business in photography to get in with them and it's the same people and probably the same equipment...

Mpix was a little weak on Christmas Card options, we did those at Walgreen's, they were cheaper and looked fine for a Christmas Card. Mpix's web interface for getting your photo's ready is a little slow at times but I believe they are coming out with some additional software you can load on your PC soon to help that.

There are so many people out there doing photo processing it's hard to know who to go with. However, when we found Mpix and tried it and liked it and they have been very consistant in quality and delivering on time we didn't bother to look anywhere else. You can go to their site and request a sample package of pictures for free.

As for the stretched canvas on a frame. The canvas is just that, a sort of cloth material. It has to be stretched onto a frame to get it smooth and the wrenkles out just like an oil painting on a canvas. So it has to end up stretched on a frame. I don't think any standard picture frame will work with that because it's so thick once placed on a stretcher frame. The actual picture frame I believe just has to be custom made. We took the pictures to a place called Gardenridge who has a custom framing department. It's cheaper if it is already on a stretcher frame when you have it framed so it's best to let Mpix put it on the stretcher frame. Then you take it to a framing place who sizes it, you pick the wood and the color and design of the wood and they assemble it, takes about a week for them to get it done. I think Mpix does actually put frames on it too but I like to go to a place where I can see examples and see the wood and pick it, I haven't tried letting them do it all.

The canvas on a mattboard will fit a standard picture frame without the glass, you might can find some frames that it would fit with the glass but I haven't looked. The canvas seems like it is sort of pasted onto the mattboard so it doesn't need to be streatched. It is basically a piece of cardboard with the canvas glued to it and you place that into a frame. Of course, you can always have a custom frame made for this as well. I'm not expert on these sort of things, I'm kinda learning as I go as canvas is new for me. My experience on frames is basically you take a picture to a store, find one it fits in and you buy it, pull the back off and put the picture in. O yea, always take your wife with you to the store so she can tell you if the frame looks good or not.

... Gary


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Jun 6, 2006, 5:37 PM

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We did several portrait wedding pictures onto a canvas. It had the texture and look of a sort of painting. I would call it a very classy picture, more so than a standard picture blown up to that size. It looked sort of like a hand painted picture rather than a photo taken picture. The person we did it for ended up with two, they got a second picture once they saw the first as they were so pleased. We added a luster coating on it which provides protection which I believe also includes some UV protection.

I'm not sure if printing your own canvas on a printer would match the quality of professional printing in regards to actual texture and how long the photo will last.

If you are able to make your own frames you can make some real dollars as the framing places really charge some high prices to do it! If you go cheap on the frame make sure it doesn't look cheap. My wife actually went with the person to have it framed to help them choose the right custom frame as they could choose from all sorts of styles and colors. I'm not sure we could actually make it look as good as they did.

On a side note, other items like wedding albums we found a place with a catalog of items and it doesn't list any prices so we can show the catalog and the customer can pick what they want from the catalog and it's wholesale ordering from the company. There are many companies out there that offer albums and such and so we order the pieces and build the album. It's a little overwhelming as you pick the type of pages that you want and how it binds and the sizes of the pictures that it holds and assemble it all together, it took several nights to put it together but it came out looking very professional rather than your store bought generic albumns.

We are into trying to provide something different than what anyone else provides. Anyone can buy a album at a store but not everyone has a custom made album.



... Gary


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Are you actually mounting prints into an album? I wasn't sure if people still did that or not.

I've never had one made, but I've got some album catalogs and have been browsing the internet...looks like its pretty common now to just make your albums digitally, and send them to the album maker to do the printing/binding. But it also seems very expensive...probably won't be a big seller in the $699 wedding photography market. Laugh




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Yep, that's what we are doing. We locate the type pages with the sizes of the pictures that we want on them, pick the binders and rings, pick the cover, it all comes in and we put the pictures in the slots where they go in the order we want them and basically build the whole album. It's a little work and takes some skill to pick the right sizes and pages, I can't do it, my wife does it.

I saw all the digital albumns where you can design it in software and upload it etc... They are expensive and I couldn't make heads or tails of it all. We decided to stick with the way we know works. I'm not sure on the printing how the quality is compaired to the pictures I'm getting from Mpix. I upload the pictures and they don't print as well as what I'm getting then I would be upset. Of course, I've seen places where you sent it all to them, prints and all and they do it. It looks like there is about any option that you want. Basically the customer can either get their own album or we'll provide a sort of generic one or just build a custom album and charge accordingly. We've just started this so we haven't worked out what all is best...

Still I like having proven good pictures and building the album myself if they want a custom album and a fancy expensive one. If built myself I'm sure of the quality...

... Gary


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I've done some $600 weddings, and you're right. You're not going to sell a high-priced album. Cheap begets cheap.
Jason


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Ain't that the truth. I just returned a message from a potential client...I shot her fiance's sister's wedding video last year, and now she wants to book me because she thought it was great. Problem is, I probably did the wedding for about $1000 less than what I charge now...so I'm guessing she'll just hang up a soon as I quote her a price. That's pretty much how all sales calls end now.Laugh




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