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Brackish
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I always like to screw with photogs about this when I'm bored at weddings, and sarcastically ask them about it...at least the ones that seem to be taking obnoxious amounts of pics.

I've been told 4000+ on a few occasions, by a single photog.

The lead of a 3-person team said between her, and her two assitants, they'd easily have 6000+.

To me, this has HACK written all over it, and these photogs are products of the digital format.

I think it's funny...as they're simply putting themselves in the same idiotic boat as videographers, by creating all the post-production time. I'm sure all the noob photogs are killing the old-schoolers because of this. Laugh




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How many images are you taking per wedding?

800 to 1200

Any thoughts on these photogs taking 2000 or
3000 images?

No



Toogy
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Dec 24, 2006, 1:18 AM

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Depends on how many hours the coverage is for, but I generally average about 100-150 shots an hour. I honestly can't imagine taking much more than that.
Todays wedding, I was there from 1pm-6:30pm and took 660 photos, but will be delivering about 380 proofs.
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RustyB
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Dec 24, 2006, 6:21 AM

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I questioned tonight's photog, because of this thread. Tongue

He and his "assistant" (a girl in blue jeans, who did absolutely nothing but drink from the bar and sit around reading to herself from a poetry book...photog dude was nice, I could tell he was a nice guy being played/whippedLaugh) showed up 10 minutes before the ceremony to shoot the prep shots in the hotel room. I don't think she paid for a lot of extra coverage, as they were gone not long into the reception. Funny, because strangely my gut feeling (the night before) told me to bring my SLR for some reason, for case artwork and to play with...like I knew the photog would bail.

I shot the usual post-garter toss photo of the bride and the girl that caught the garter with my rental Z1. How awkward. Somebody had to do it. I just gave'em a 'tarded smile and a thumbs up, like some kind of idiot, to let them know I've took their "picture". Laugh I swear, people often can't tell the difference between a still and video camera on a wedding day. At my brother's wedding post-reception party, the bottom section of a tripod leg fell off, and I thought it looked like the microphones used by Bob Barker on Price is Right, so I used it to interview several guests as I shot video. ALL of them assumed it was a real microphone, as they talked into the bottom end of a tripod leg. LaughLaugh People are so easily fooled...I should know...I'm the worst.


Crap, anyways (I'm loadedLaugh), my point was, he said he'd take about 400-600 pics. He seemed to share my idea (I have no experience as a pro wedding photog, so don't know what's best) that it pays to try and get the shot right the first time, instead of just blasing off thousands of pics in the hopes of getting something good. He also shared my guess idea that shooting in RAW is for people with this mentality...and a unnecessary step for photogs that know what they are doing, and try to get their shots right when they take them...not in PhotoShop later on.

He was also the first person to NOT want me to use my light during the cake cutting for example. He wasn't a dick, he helped me to get my shot, so that I'd turn off my light to get his. At first, we tried to do it together, but he obviously wasn't getting the right white balance, so I got my quick shot, and turned off my light. He didn't want to have to "fix" his pictures...he wanted to take them right the first time.

Of course, he had a lot of bad shots. Instead of being hostile towards photogs, ask them questions about their gear. If you get a photog showing you shots on their DSLR LCD, you can't shake them the rest of the night. They LOVE to talk about their work, just like we (video) do. This guy had some awesome exposures, like I say he was shooting everything manually, including the flash, which he didn't use any absurd looking diffuser/reflector on all night. He said he owns all that stuff, but knows how to use his flash without the need for that stuff most of the time.


I wonder if he gets home, and posts endless amounts of BS on internet forums, because he doesn't want to start editing. I know I do. Laugh




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WLR
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Dec 26, 2006, 10:48 PM

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How many images are you taking per wedding? I keep it to less than 500 images. After all I'm the one who would have to edit all that stuff.
Any thoughts on these photogs taking 2000 or
3000 images? A: They have alot of time on their hands. (for editing) B: If we can't give them quality, we'll give them quantity C: They're nuts.



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Ahhhhh ... but I didn't say that I "delivered" that many photos. Wink That number is also technically between two of us. My daughter assists me and when not handling a clipboard I hand her a camera and set it on Program mode. She's gotten some killer images for me.

I'm guessing that brides receive between 400 and 600 to choose from ... leaning more towards 600. I try to eliminate duplicates whenever possible. I also take at least three of every grouping I have to do so that adds to it.


WLR
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When I started with 120 film we were given 10 to 12 rolls to work with and that was it!
You made darn sure every shot, or almost every shot counted because it cost $ for the film, developing, proof printing and proof book. Now with digital, IMNHO it's a reusable chip, a couple dvds and your time.
Because it now costs next to nothing to make images we have a double edged sword in our hands. The one side that now lets us become less selective (read sloppy) in what and how we shoot, and the other being having the opportunity to capture more of the previously lost moments of the day, photojournalistic.
The whole thing in a nut shell is that we have to figure out the best balance for us, our clients, and while we perform our duties, to look like professionals.



Hello. My name is Bill. I shoot formal with photojournalistic tendencies...........


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Dec 27, 2006, 11:13 PM

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Started out with a Yashica Mat 124G the a couple Mamiya C330's and finally a Hasselblad ELM.


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Now with digital, IMNHO it's a reusable chip, a couple dvds and your time.
Because it now costs next to nothing to make images we have a double edged sword in our hands. The one side that now lets us become less selective (read sloppy) in what and how we shoot, and the other being having the opportunity to capture more of the previously lost moments of the day, photojournalistic.



My personal approach is to get the safe shot every time I go out ... then ... get another. If I feel I have the shot for "mom" then I work on the shot for "me." I love to experiment and I'm sure you couldn't do that with film to the extent we can with digital.

I'm sure there are people that just fire away without thinking. I try not to do that, but I'm not beyond putting the camera into burst mode. I almost always do during the kiss at the ceremony. Trying to guess that "one" moment in time is just that ... a guess. The cake cutting and feeding is the same situation. You never know how that's going to work out.



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Dec 27, 2006, 11:32 PM

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If your camera was a 2 1/4 square format you got 12 exposures, a 645 format got you I believe, 16.
220 film was twice as long as 120, same width though. The first studio I worked for didnt want to use 220 for fear of loosing twice as many pictures if it was lost or the film processor decided to take a sacrifice.


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Geeez. Go figure.... The photog probably has pre-programed in his mind exactly what shots he is going to take. But guzzling at the bar could, let's say, fog that pre-programing???............Crazy

Cranberry juice for Julie, club soda and lemon for me thankyou.


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When I started with 120 film we were given 10 to 12 rolls to work with and that was it!
You made darn sure every shot, or almost every shot counted because it cost $ for the film, developing, proof printing and proof book. Now with digital, IMNHO it's a reusable chip, a couple dvds and your time.
Because it now costs next to nothing to make images we have a double edged sword in our hands. The one side that now lets us become less selective (read sloppy) in what and how we shoot, and the other being having the opportunity to capture more of the previously lost moments of the day, photojournalistic.
The whole thing in a nut shell is that we have to figure out the best balance for us, our clients, and while we perform our duties, to look like professionals.

The first few weddings that I did were photo shoots with my Mamiya C33 (backed up by my Minolta SLR). I would go out and buy a couple of Pro-Packs of VPS (5 rolls of 120 per pack), for a total of 120 shots. To say the least, I was very careful about making every shot count. While I haven't done a full wedding as a photographer in the digital age, I have taken the D200 to a couple of weddings and let my assistant shoot (with the blessing of the official photographer). Looking at the those photos, I see a lot of garbage, but there are always a few really great shots that I would have missed back in the film days due to the conservatism that comes with knowing that every photo is a drain on the budget. I think that most of us have a similar approach to video. We tend to let the camera run and edit in post rather than running the risk of missing something.

Speaking of photography vs. video, I had a call last night from a bride who asked if we did photography in addition to video. We had done her engagement party last year so she knew our (video) work. I mentioned to her that we could do a small photo shoot for her for no charge, but we do not currently offer any photography packages. She was fine with that and said that all she wanted was a few formals, no ceremony or reception photography. It is gratifying that a bride is actually putting video ahead of photography (she didn't have a photographer at the engagement party either).


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WLR
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Dec 28, 2006, 9:35 AM

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I always tell them photography and video complement each other, especially when you can recomend someone you work well with.


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Never been asked.


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I think he has 3 or 4 shooters. It doesn't matter to him anyway cos I bet he has someone else do all the editing etc once he has made an appearance.