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Brackish
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DarrenS
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I would nip that one in the bud and pass on the job entirely. Stupid people trying to tell others how to do their job. That's like telling a mechanic what kind of wrenches to use to fix a car. Go find a mechanic who's hungry.

There's no difference between film and digital, at least not one big enough a layman could identify...especially with bridal images! lol


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Feb 13, 2007, 10:55 PM

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Hey Darren,

What do you think about the comparison between medium format and digital? I had a photographer tell me there is a difference, but he is old school. I have a 11x14 print from a wedding I shot on digital, it looks very nice to me.


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Yeah the difference isn't resolution so much. The primary difference is film has a wider dynamic range (ie. records more detail in shadows & highlights), but untrained eyes can't see the diff. They might if they had two prints side by each, one shot medium film and one shot 35mm-style digital on a clear day at noon hour on the beach with shorts, pasty-white legs, white socks and black sandals onLaugh...and looked really really closely. But I doubt it. 100iso film has wide latitude but so does RAW (at least a full stop either direction most of the time), and the myriad other benefits of digital far outweigh those of film. Shooting proper exposure, developing/processing are all the photog's worry of course, so it can't be latitude anyway. I'd be interested to know her reasoning behind wanting film for her wedding. She must be a camera buff.

The 35mm-style DSLR is way more than enough for sub-$10k wedding work imo. If I was commanding more than ten large per gig my weapon would be a digital Hasselblad (medium format digi). I might even show the dictator my Pentax or Minolta film bodies then shoot with the Nikon digi and not say anything lol (just joking OF COURSE).Smile


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For an event photo gig, I can't imagine why anyone would want film over digital. Likewise, I can't imagine why an event photographer would prefer to shoot film over digital.

That being said, I think film has it's own character, obviously depending on what kind of film you're using, and how it was exposed. But to compare film and digital is a pretty broad assumption.

For example, the confusion with videographers when someone says they want the "film look". Do you mean you want you want it to look like a Hollywood movie, or do you mean you want it to look like a grainey Super8 home movie from the 70's?

And with photo, you're generally using the same cameras/lenses...just a different "back"...film or a CCD. For the most accurate image possible, which I assume most would want for pro stuff, I'd think digital would be the best bet. There's just a particular aesthetic you can get with film, without fiddling with a bunch of PhotoShop filters.

And I don't think the "resolution" arguement really holds much water anymore....there's even digital medium format cameras.



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Feb 13, 2007, 11:38 PM

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For only $199, you can have the best of both worlds! A cool looking Rolleiflex medium format TLR, and 2 megapixel digital camera, all in one! And you can fit it in your pocket!

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Shadow
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Feb 13, 2007, 11:40 PM

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(just joking OF COURSE).Smile
of course! Smile


Shadow
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Feb 14, 2007, 12:25 AM

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You know one thing I have noticed about film vs. digital photographers. The film photogs don't take as many photos. There have been many times that I am thinking "this is a great shot!" and the photographer is just standing there with the nice medium format in hand, not taking a photo. A wedding I'm editing right now, same thing (different photographer), the bride is coming down the stairs and at the bottom of the stairs (in my shot, even though all the family got out of the way) is the photographer, not taking a photo.

My photography teacher told me it is about $1 each time a photo is taken. So I guess this has something to do with it. I'm sure not all photogs are like this, but I really have noticed it around here with some of them that use the film. I would think if that is an issue then get a 20D or something to do candids with and still do the formals on the film.


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the photographer is just standing there with the nice medium format in hand, not taking a photo.....My photography teacher told me it is about $1 each time a photo is taken.....

For me, medium format shots cost about $1.5 for film+processing and 5x5 prints. I have a toy Holga medium format, and a POS Walzflex TLR, that use 6x6...expensive just for "fun" shots.

And if you were shooting weddings, you have to remember that you only get 12 shots from a roll of 120 medium format film in 6x6. Not only does every picture cost you $$$, which you should be charging the customer for anyways, but instead of changing a memory stick every 500 pictures, you need to reload your camera every 12 shots (or have an assistant loading bodies).

Of course, the lower-end film photogs I saw at weddings just shot on 35mm. I worked with a husband/wife team that both shot with Canon AE-1's. Tongue



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Interesting article. I still don't like the look of Canon digital photographs. They look processed to me even shot in RAW, which doesn't make sense I know, but it's the way I see it. Read an article somewhere weeks ago where the writer used the words 'plastic-looking', and I have to agree.


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Hey Darren,
Do you find digital in general to be this or you just don't like Canon?


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Just Canon. I would have to shoot one for a day to make up my mind absolutely, however.


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Here in the sticks most photogs are still film based. They're the old school types though. The younger ones are digital though.

And as mentioned earlier, I would rather shoot with the "filmers" any day. Don't know if it's their age/experience but I see them a lot less in my shots simply because they only shoot maybe 100-150 photos the whole day which includes the formals.

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I totally believe that. It's the same concept as comparing video with motion picture film. Photography spent many decades being 'unreal' in it's appearance. It's one of the things that make photography so cool. Making it totally 100% real-looking is not a good thing imo. Canon goes overboard with their in-camera noise reduction. I think that's what it is, can't really put my finger on it tho. I just don't like the look of images made with Canons as much as all the other manus' gear.


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I think a lot of us that came from video have the state of mind that says "you have to get EVERYTHING" instead of picking and choosing. You may only deliver 50 photos. The clients may only see 150-200 to pick from. Why shoot 1200? Why shoot 4 angles of everything? Pick the one you want and take it. If you need to take a 2nd to make up for some shaking (ehem...not from PERSONAL experience, understand?) then do it. Coming from a video background gives a unique perspective on photography, but also brings a little bit of baggage with it I think.

-Postal