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Aug. 20 Canon USA press release announcing 40D [PIC]

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Brackish
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Aug 20, 2007, 3:09 AM

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http://www.usa.canon.com/...se/20070820_40d.html

This is what I see as new:

1. 6.5 frames per second shooting

2. 3" LCD

3. 10 megapixels

4. improved auto focus

5. auto ISO (not sure on the details of operation here)

6. interchangeable screens

7. dust shaker

8. Live View on LCD (but no auto focus with Live View)

Suggested price is $1299. Shipping in September.

Your thoughts???

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Brackish
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Aug 21, 2007, 5:40 AM

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One thing I'll be curious to see is how the low light is
now that it has picked up the 10-megapixel sensor from the XTi.
Usually when they add more pixels to the same size sensor,
you get more resolution but poorer low-light performance.
They say they've made some improvements to the
sensor over what's in the XTi but if the low-light
capabilities are worse than what the 30D is - and they
say the XTi has more noise than the XT because of the
added pixels - then the cam doesn't sound
all that attractive, atleast for low-light events work.

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DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 10:29 AM

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It's clear you're a video person first and photo person second Brack. Smile

"Low light performance" with photography is really not very important.

Have you ever shot 1600ASA film before?

RustyB
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Aug 21, 2007, 12:44 PM

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It's clear you're a video person first and photo person second Brack. Smile

"Low light performance" with photography is really not very important.

Have you ever shot 1600ASA film before?

Seems like I see a LOT of wedding photogs posting these high ISO pictures. I guess they're using it because "it's there" on the Canon cameras. Could also be the reason I don't care for so many digital pictures....from seeing so many high ISO Canon wedding pics.

faith poison films
it's better than nothing

DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 12:49 PM

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Here's kodak gold 1600asa...very grainy I mean noisy. You can't even really see it here because these are lame scanned prints at lowres which also went through two floods (how I lost tens of thousands of my prints), plus they're from 1984.

One day we'll have prosumer HDR sensors and zero noise, and it will seem crude to have anything less. But that's 15-20 years or more away before the the consensus of everyone is 'good'. Just look at HDV in the video realm ~snicker~. Are you old enough to remember when all our cars started shrinking from tank size down to toy size? Remember the 3-banger Pontiac Firefly? My friggin' Yamaha snowmobile had more horsepower, no kidding. Then one day, after every car is shrunk like a dude standing in cold water, the 'massive' SUV comes along and everyone loves them. Same will happen with photography. Cartoonish looking pictures with zero noise will be the norm, and then twnety years later some photog will introduce grain into her images on purpose and she'll be considered a bloody genuis. Laugh

Many people still enjoy the look of film today because it's still fresh in our minds. I regard it as gritty not grainy, in most cases. It's 'Traffic' in Mexico. You young bucks might not be able to appreciate it however.

Arrivederci.

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DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 1:53 PM

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Could also be the reason I don't care for so many digital pictures

No doubt in my mind. You're old skewel and can see the difference easily. Some people focus on the 'cleanliness' of the image and the technology that makes it, whilst others are focused on how the picture makes them feel inside. It's one of the reasons I enjoy looking at Jason's pictures so much. More interesting than a sterilized Canon shot by at least two orders of magnitude, in my opinion. Wish I had his gift. It's sort of the same reason why some people enjoy monochrome over color, I think.

Brackish
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Aug 21, 2007, 4:17 PM

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Seems like I see a LOT of wedding photogs posting these high ISO pictures. I guess they're using it because "it's there" on the Canon cameras. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not following you here, Rusty. Did you see my post regarding the lighting at my ceremonies? At f/2.8, 50% of the ceremonies require 1/25 second exposures at 1600 ISO. Another 25% need 1/50 second. Motion blur of the subjects becomes a major issue at these shutter speeds. The photogs in my area aren't using 1600 for the ceremonies "just because it's there". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could also be the reason I don't care for so many digital pictures....from seeing so many high ISO Canon wedding pics. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As compared to low-ISO Canon pics? What is it about the high-ISO Canon pics that you don't care for? Does the Olympus at 1600 make an aesthetically better picture than Canon?

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RustyB
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Aug 21, 2007, 5:10 PM

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Nah, Olympus is horrible at high ISO's. I don't even like using ISO 400 with my E-500. If I shot weddings full time, I'd probably use a Canon on the wedding shoots. They're definitely cleaner, but I guess there's a trade-off for the in-camera noise reduction...just like with any camera. Darren describes it as "cartoonish". I don't know...something just looks lifeless and artificial about some of them. I guess it also has a LOT to do with the lenses used.

I guess if I were a wedding photog, I'd also want the fastest lenses I could afford, depending on what I was charging. Then again, considering what wedding videographers drop on the latest cameras, the cost of photo lenses should be peanuts to those going from video to photo. Laugh

Look at the current video thread about those who have bought every release of HDV camera to come out, and still can't wait for the new Sony XDcam to come out so they can spend $9000-$14000 each for them, and buy 2-3 of them so they can go tapeless while shooting $1500 weddings that they'll spend 80 hours editing. Spending $1500-$3000 on a decent fast photo lens that you can use for 10-30 years shouldn't be such of an issue for us.

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faith poison films
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RustyB
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Aug 21, 2007, 5:31 PM

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Took a couple of ISO 1600, 14mm with a 14-54mm Zoom lens, f2.8, 1/400, pics with my Olympus e500:

Without in-cam Noise Reduction:

WITH in-cam Noise Reduction:

They both look like ass IMHO. Laugh

faith poison films
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Brackish
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Aug 21, 2007, 7:48 PM

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It's clear you're a video person first and photo person second Brack.

It's clear high-ISO noise is the least of your concerns, shooting
with a D200. Wink

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Postal Boy
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Aug 21, 2007, 8:10 PM

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That's funny Rusty...they both look like photos to me...I mean, are you trying to take a picture of something, or a reasonable facsimile of something? A picture would show it "as it is" so to speak...an "artistic" or "filmic" image would imply (from all of the discussions) that it is NOT what is real, but something beyond that....a mystic representation of how it could appear in a fantasy world... Angelic

DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 9:20 PM

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I get a little kick outta how videographers strive for the film look, and photographers are striving for the video look Laugh

Of all the motion picture formats I'd say videotape is the most realistic. It's also the cheapest-looking imo.

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DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 9:30 PM

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Hey do me a favor? Flip that page and take another pic. Then do it again about 150 times Laugh

DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 10:02 PM

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You're correct, it is the least of my concerns. And after only a tiny handful of weddings I'm booking them for over $6000 in a market that isn't supposed to support that level. Cool

If the word 'video' didn't exist in our lexicon I could honestly say I've never failed at any business. Sensor noise isn't very important relatively speaking. Not unless you're a pro sports shooter forced by Canon to wear logos on your back. Laugh

DarrenS
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Aug 21, 2007, 11:05 PM

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Spending $1500-$3000 on a decent fast photo lens that you can use for 10-30 years shouldn't be such of an issue for us.

Exactly. Even five grand or more for a professional tool is really nothing. I know auto mechanics who spend ten grand on their tool box, then fifty grand more to fill it with tools. Makes me chuckle to hear photogs poke fun at us who invest heavily in glass. Small potato city.

I sold my pentax 80-200 on ebay for more bucks than I paid brand new...and used it almost thirty years.

DarrenS
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Aug 22, 2007, 2:15 AM

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Here's the D200 with normal (i.e. low setting) in-camera noise reduction on them...

100ISO

400ISO

1600ISO

3200ISO

That ugly damn flower arrangement on my table is far more distracting than any noise...but the real estate agent put it there not me (adding a female touch to my pad, apparently). I focus on what I consider important things like, umm, making nice pictures Laugh

Oh yea, full stop increment controls (1/3 and 1/2 totally sucks for someone like me...and for those who like to play with HDR), intuitive control layout, amazing weather sealing (I shot in the rain last job with no protection, and no ill effects), a true professional body 'feel' (feels better than the F5 even), dedicated buttons for all critical settings instead of fiddly software menus, the finest 35mm flash system on the planet, the legendary weapons of Nikkor (the 200/2 and 85/1.4 alone are enough to be Nikonian as far as I'm concerned) and much much more Nikon offers pro photographers...all for under $2000. Actually I think they're more like $1500 now. Which brings me around to other important things...profitability and upstart capital. The D200 is simply an amazing camera. So amazing I sold a D2X and bought three of them.

So far the only thing I ever hear from Canon fans is the low noise factor. Oh yea, and 'full frame' (like that really matters). Surely Canon's got more over Nikon than that?

No offense to Canon owners. It's the pictures that matter, of course. Both are some of the best tools in the world for making pictures; whatever blows your skirt up. I'm just killing time here...and playing devil's advocate (hi Brack Sly

Brackish
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Aug 22, 2007, 11:40 PM

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1. 6.5 frames per second shooting

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I don't think you need this for events.

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2. 3" LCD

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Nice, but 2.5" is plenty, I think.

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3. 10 megapixels

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IF they can do it without making the high-ISO noise worse otherwise

leave the megapixels as they were.

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4. improved auto focus

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That's a good one.

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5. auto ISO (not sure on the details of operation here)

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I'd really like to have this - I think Nikon has this in many of

their cams but not sure about Olympus.

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6. interchangeable screens

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This is alright but would be better with an even bigger finder.

Unfortunately, the optional screen won't offer what would REALLY be

of benefit: A split-screen + microprism ring encircling the

split screen.

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7. dust shaker

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I hear the dust shaker on the XTi is ineffective so if the

40D's is the same ...

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8. Live View on LCD (but no auto focus with Live View)

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Not something I would use.

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Brackish
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Aug 23, 2007, 1:06 AM

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How does 40D sound to you?

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DarrenS
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Aug 23, 2007, 2:02 AM

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It sounds nice, especially for the price point. At least there's an AF button now Laugh

If you can configure for full-stop exposure adjustments it would be worth consideration. That's a biggie for me. 14-bit RAW is pretty sweet. So is auto ISO, as long as you can control the range. They gotta loose those silly 'modes' like sports, flowers, etc. on bodies of this calibre. One thing I absolutely cannot stand about Canon cameras is their software menus. Those cats need a lesson in Human Interface Design (HID). Nikon blows them outta the water.

I wouldn't make any decisions until I could hold a body in my hands and play with it. Just like with women Laugh

(j/k) The D70s sounds nice on paper and it does indeed make beautiful images, but hold it in your hands and it feels like a Fisher Price toy. I have one of those but never use it myself. If I banged the D70 around like I do the D200 it would probably be broken by now.

Brackish
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Aug 23, 2007, 2:07 AM

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DarrenS
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Aug 23, 2007, 3:18 AM

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Oh. So the weirdness finally comes through. WTF are you talking about dude? Crazy

DarrenS
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Aug 23, 2007, 4:11 AM

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I saw what you posted before it was deleted. You've turned into one strange mofo, dude. I'm sorry I ever entertained your questions.

Silly kids.

Brackish
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Aug 23, 2007, 4:21 AM

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DarrenS
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Aug 23, 2007, 4:25 AM

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Asking if I'm gay is pretty f-n particular.

Yeah, probably.

Postal Boy
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Aug 23, 2007, 7:28 AM

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Ah...sorry I came in late on THAT one... I missed it. Cool

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