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Blinkers....(not the ones on your vehicle)

 

 


rodovideo
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Mar 9, 2006, 11:13 AM

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How do you stop/get around... "the blinker...."?
I shot some team & individual shots for the local YMCA swim team and one of the boys blinked in almost every shot I took of him. Thank goodness for digital cameras... I could check each shot and yep "You blinked again Seth...."

Then a couple of days ago, I was doing some headshots for a realtor and yep... she blinked in every shot. What I ended up doing was putting my camera into High-speed continuous shooting (a whole 2.5 fps) and fired away. I got a couple good shots but the flash can't keep up with that pace....

Does anyone know of some good tricks to get around this?

The only thing I can think of is to shoot in bright conditions that would NOT require a flash.

Thanks
Mike R.


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dc9
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Mar 9, 2006, 11:31 AM

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i really don not know and answer, but i have read that a possible fix would it be countinuos lighthing.


Dapper Don
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Mar 9, 2006, 11:33 AM

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LOL ..... I feel for you.... been there... maybe "superglue" on their eyelids???? LOL




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adtr
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Mar 9, 2006, 11:34 AM

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I think you found the best technique, shoot another frame straight away. No-one can blink that quickly! I use that when I want to photograph the dog. Another is to countdown and shoot early and again grab another when they are relaxing.


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TimK
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Mar 10, 2006, 12:11 PM

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I dont know if you do this or not, but a lot of people like to countdown their shot. If you do, there are always those that anticipate with a blink. Shooting in rapid succession as fast as your flash will go could sometimes be worse. I found what usually works with problem blinkers is to have them hold their expression, and shoot after an awkward pause-don't give them a chance to know when it's coming. Don't use a flash with red-eye reduction - that little preflash.


WLR
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Mar 10, 2006, 7:05 PM

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Oh the blinker............They kinda make you want to take an old Honeywell 892s and set it to manual.........
But what I will really do is have them blink just before you shoot, OR, do a countdown One, Two, Two and ahalf.....Two and three qua POOOF. Gotcha.
Had a bride who was a REAL blinker. Had 3 of the bridesmaids clapping behind me which distracted the bride long enough to squeeze off the shot.


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Postal_Boy
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Mar 11, 2006, 11:49 PM

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Shoot a burst of 2 or 3 photos, but start on the 2...that way you can get the "before 3" "3" and "after 3" shots...they may be blind after, but hey - you should have at 2 photos that you could splice the non-blinking head in (if you don't mind a TON of post work ;) )
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Pacman
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Mar 13, 2006, 9:51 AM

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Is your camera pre-flashing to set exposure? If so, try getting the shot in manual. You'll have a lot better luck without the pre-flash.

Does the camera have an exposure lock? You can pop the flash to set the exposure, let them blink away for a second or two, and then it stays locked on those flash settings until you fire the real shot.


rodovideo
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Mar 13, 2006, 1:19 PM

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No pre-flash...
Nikon d50
sb-600 speedlight

Did a reshoot and shot outside. Tried flash outside just for the heck of it.... still blinked.

She showed me her old business card and the headshot on it... she was looking away from the camera... it looks very strange for a business card, but I guess they couldn't get a good shot of her looking at the lens. (so I don't feel to bad...)

Mike R.


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Ranko
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Mar 14, 2006, 2:16 AM

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try this...

"Please blink 3 times when I count to 2..."

1...
2... (start blinking 3 times)
(click!)

not 100% but should work most of the times.


videochicke
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Mar 14, 2006, 1:54 PM

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As a professional blinker, I can say what works for me is to stare at the photographer's hand that is not on the shutter. A blinker sees that shutter finger move and reacts to it. By concentrating on not looking at it, I blink less than 10% of the time now compared to 90% before. I even blinked when there was no flash.
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Caterpillar
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Mar 20, 2006, 2:25 PM

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How do you stop/get around... "the blinker...."?
I shot some team & individual shots for the local YMCA swim team and one of the boys blinked in almost every shot I took of him. Thank goodness for digital cameras... I could check each shot and yep "You blinked again Seth...."

Then a couple of days ago, I was doing some headshots for a realtor and yep... she blinked in every shot. What I ended up doing was putting my camera into High-speed continuous shooting (a whole 2.5 fps) and fired away. I got a couple good shots but the flash can't keep up with that pace....

Does anyone know of some good tricks to get around this?

The only thing I can think of is to shoot in bright conditions that would NOT require a flash.

Thanks
Mike R.


Mike,

I rarely have closed eyes. One trick is to count aloud from 3,2,1 then shoot. This will prep the group to be ready. But on the 2nd attempt, click the shutter after counting 3. Don't let it get to 1. If we do videos, we have our own lights (2 x 800-1,000 watts) so, I can also shoot 2x-3x without firing the flash.

Now, if you are using a canon dslr and a 580ex flash, you can buy the cp-e3 external battery holder and it basically can give you about 5-8 straight full power flashes with a 1 sec lag. Of course, you will not likely fire that flash in full, but partially, so basically, you can fire at least 3-4 straight flashes and not lose power. If you have the 20d/30d and this combo flash and battery, you can fire 3-5 frames at 5fps for sure.

Another trick is, sometimes, I talk as if I am asking the people to stand up straight or look at the camera, then I just click. No warning. Actually, I already know they are all ready for the shot, but pretend that someone else is not yet ready. When you shoot digital, it's no waste of film that you throw away if it didn't work out. With digital, you just erase it. I do this to break the rhythm, so people are relaxed and don't tighten up. There are some people when you count, they start to stiffen or look bug eyed.

Basically, when they are relaxed, and they are not thinking about you shooting, I rarely have this closed eyes things. You have to talk to your subjects. Give them feedback if they do good. OR say, your intent out aloud (without being bossy or sounding like a military order).

At the worst, in very large groups, you can have one person at the left with eyes open but closed on the 2nd shot. But then on the 1st shot someone else' eyes is closed but open on the 2nd shot. You may have to operate and copy the eyes of when that person where it was open and move it to the other shot itsn't with PS. I don't like this solution, but can do this if I have no choice. It's not hard work, but it can be time consuming.

Hope this helps!



-Caterpilar
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Waldemar
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Mar 28, 2006, 9:28 PM

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It has been a long time since I have had to concern myself with "blinkers", but when I made my living doing candid photography for meetings and conventions here is what i would do:

Wait. i would set up my shot then pay careful attention to the eyes. As soon as I saw a blink, i count "one" and take the photo. No blinkers.
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peter lee
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Mar 31, 2006, 9:19 PM

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this is a known problem with the d70 (and to a lesser extent the d200). I am guessing it also applies to the d50. The preflash fires a second before the main flash causing some people to blink every time. The fix is to custom code slot 15 so the aeL button fires the preflash manually.

google it - lot of discussion on this issue.


rodovideo
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Apr 1, 2006, 12:20 AM

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Locking out the pre-flash...
I bet that's the ticket....Wink

Thanks.... Now I tempted to give her a call back and try it out on her...


Thanks
Mike R.


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rodovideo
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Apr 1, 2006, 10:20 PM

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After doing some more research.... yep my d50 was setup to pre-flash. I am a learning photographer... and I thought "pre-flash" was the red-eye reduction setup. But upon further (suggested) investigation, the nikons are know to have a problem with the pre-flash to set up exposure. I found the FV-Lock setting and it is easy to perform. I did also look closely at the flash... the pre-flash is easy to pick-out once you know to look for it. So I am sure that to 2 people that I was having problems with also could pick out the pre-flash and that is what was getting them....


Thanks everyone


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abracadabra
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Apr 6, 2006, 8:21 AM

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Tell them that your going to shoot on the count of three...one, two, already shot, then three....should work ok. Also...if your camera preflashes, you may wish to disingage that feature.........


Lola Mitchell
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Apr 9, 2006, 1:38 PM

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The solution that I have found works best involves having the subject close their eyes, and keep them closed until I count to 3. They open their eyes at the precise moment I press the shutter. I get blinkers all the time in the studio, and it seems to work pretty well.
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