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Lydian
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Feb 7, 2006, 12:40 PM

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Hi I have noticed on this forum that the 5D seems to get the thumbs up.
I am looking for a DSLR that will last a long time so i don't mind spending a bit more now.
I know as a novice there's going to be a learning curve with all the manual controls etc but i am wondering whether to buy a body only and seperate lense or go for an all in one version with a 24mm-105mm lense for now.
Don't get me wrong I don't have a limitless budget, i want to spend the least i can get away with for shooting weddings.
I already shoot wedding videos with canon xl2 but want to start incorporating photo's as well.





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kcpopps
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Feb 7, 2006, 6:00 PM

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The 5D at 12.8 megapixels might actually be overkill for weddings in some peoples eyes.... but I want one too. Most weddings don't sell that many reprints over 8x10 in size and anything over 6 megapixels will do fine for that. BUT - it would really set you free to crop a lot and still have quality.

Also has a full frame sensor... and the viewfinder is much better for composing and focusing. Both of those things are a big leap up from the 20D. I want one so bad I can hardly stand it - but I also want video cameras, software and etc.!

Are you familar with dpreview? They have a very complete review on the 5D there.


Lydian
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Feb 7, 2006, 7:13 PM

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I know what you mean about want of things.
I have been debating this for a while, could I get away with a 350D for example?
What is an established wedding photog's camera, why is 6 mega pixels enough?
I figured with a 5D in the next 5 years as cameras get more superior i will still have a top of the range slr.





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kcpopps
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Feb 7, 2006, 8:58 PM

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One reason I personally wouldn't want a 350D is because I often see guests at weddings with them. (My daughter just got one too.) I'm actually still using a 10D and a D60, so I'm behind in the latest and greatest race. But some pros do use the 350. I believe they have the same sensor as the 20D and produce pictures that no one would be able to tell which camera did them.

The 20D just has some features the 350 does not, that may or may not be important to you. One thing for me is the 20D has a dedicated connector for hooking up to an external studio flash kit.... whereas with the Rebel, I believe you have to buy a hotshoe adapter thingy. If you're not doing studio shots you might not need that.

I've never touched or seen a 5D so all I know is what I've read about it... but for me, I think it would take me up to a level where I probably wouldn't want a new camera for quite some time.

I said 6 mp is enough because that roughly makes a 11x17 photo. Most wedding orders get prints in 4x6, 5x7 or 8x10, with the occasional 11x14 or 16x20. I've blown 6 mp photos up to 16x20 and they looked nice. The 5D would be about 16x24 with no enlarging required. That size also means you could crop a lot for a 4x6 or 5x7, even 8x10's - so it's almost like cropping is a telephoto lens. With that size original image, you could make close up shots of photos that weren't shot as close ups.


GmElliott
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Feb 8, 2006, 12:54 AM

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I'm looking to sell my 1DmkII for the 5D. I don't like that it isn't environmentally sealed but it will mate up better with the 135 F2 L (arguably the best piece of glass cannon has ever produced) with it's full frame sensor. The 1.3 crop of my MkII make the 135 too long.








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Lydian
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Feb 8, 2006, 4:16 AM

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What suggestions do you have in terms of lenses for the 350d, i am presuming a wide angle lense and not the 17mm-85mm my local shop is selling it with as standard?





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mcguyver
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Feb 8, 2006, 4:37 AM

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Glen,

What are you asking for your 1D Mk II? I've been thinking of upgrading from my 10D.

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GmElliott
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Feb 8, 2006, 7:06 PM

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What suggestions do you have in terms of lenses for the 350d, i am presuming a wide angle lense and not the 17mm-85mm my local shop is selling it with as standard?

24-70 2.8L my favorite walk-around lense.

Couple of shots with this lense and the mkII:














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GmElliott
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Feb 8, 2006, 7:12 PM

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Glen,

What are you asking for your 1D Mk II? I've been thinking of upgrading from my 10D.

$2700. (+shipping/insurance)








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Lydian
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Feb 9, 2006, 4:06 AM

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you are one talented geezer!
The wedding visual image specialist!!!!
Are you actually doing photo's and videos all on your todd now?





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Mathew
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Feb 9, 2006, 9:02 PM

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I'm looking to sell my 1DmkII for the 5D.
I tried out the 5D at Best Buy and it didn't feel any more solid than the 20d. Isn't the 1DmkII still considered a more professional camera?


GmElliott
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Feb 9, 2006, 10:56 PM

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I'm looking to sell my 1DmkII for the 5D.
I tried out the 5D at Best Buy and it didn't feel any more solid than the 20d. Isn't the 1DmkII still considered a more professional camera?

Yes the mkII is part of Canon's "pro" 1-series DSLRs. I want the 5D for full frame, and smaller size.








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Pacman
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Feb 10, 2006, 9:05 AM

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I figured with a 5D in the next 5 years as cameras get more superior i will still have a top of the range slr.

The still camera race is just as ruthless as the video camera one. I suspect in 5 years the sensors will be somewhere around 20-30 mega pixels on most DSLR's. The camera makers will keep pushing the technology until the demand for more isn't there. The rumored "35D" (the 20D replacement) is supposed to be released very soon and I've heard that Canon has stopped making the 20D. No one really knows if the 35D is real or if it will be full frame or not though. I doubt it because that would pretty much antiquate their "S" series lenses, and it's too soon for that.

IMO, the 5D being full frame will make it a very capable and useful camera for a long while to come. It's already behind the Canon 1 series in mega pixels though. As far as being the latest and the greatest in it's class, I give it 8 months tops. Canon will unveil the 5D replacement in time for the holidays next year. I bet in the next few years all the DSLR's will be full frame.


Pacman
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Feb 10, 2006, 9:16 AM

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I'm looking to sell my 1DmkII for the 5D.
I tried out the 5D at Best Buy and it didn't feel any more solid than the 20d. Isn't the 1DmkII still considered a more professional camera?

Yes the mkII is part of Canon's "pro" 1-series DSLRs. I want the 5D for full frame, and smaller size.

The crop is only 1.3x on the mkII though, right?


Mathew, Glen let me check that thing out for a minute at GPVA. They're built like a brick house. You should check one out at your photo shop. I think my 20D with battery grip is a fair second in construction for the price.


Mathew
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Feb 10, 2006, 2:13 PM

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Mathew, Glen let me check that thing out for a minute at GPVA. They're built like a brick house. You should check one out at your photo shop. I think my 20D with battery grip is a fair second in construction for the price.
Which is one of the reasons I would keep it over the 5D. I'll take better construction over crop factor and megapixels anyday. With weddings you want a workhorse.

Frankly I think the Nikon d50, a $600 camera feels just as well put together as the Canon 20d or the 5D for that matter.


Mathew
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Feb 10, 2006, 2:21 PM

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The still camera race is just as ruthless as the video camera one. I suspect in 5 years the sensors will be somewhere around 20-30 mega pixels on most DSLR's.
Once you get past 8 megapixels I frankly don't see how adding another dozen or so is going to make your photographs any better. Unless you're doing Astrophotography or surveilance. The whole megapixel race is more marketing than anything else. I see a lot of photos on dpreview from older, fewer megapixel cameras that look better than any of the current 8 megapixel 'wonders'.

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I bet in the next few years all the DSLR's will be full frame.
No. What would be the point of purchasing a 5D over say a 20D then? I think the full frame cameras will be reserved for those who want the 'best' thus for those who will be willing to pay extra for it. Besides it wouldn't give Glen any incentive to upgrade now would it...or would it?


Pacman
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Feb 10, 2006, 4:44 PM

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I agree, but the new Canon 1 series is already up to what, 16.7 mega pixels and the digital backs for the Hassies are 20 or better already. Why? Most people buy 11X14 prints or smaller. If you could put out a 500 mega pixel camera, someone would buy it. Then they would tell everyone that their pictures were better. Then someone would hire that person, based on that statement alone. Good grief. Crazy

No matter what, poor talent = poor picture.

I dunno. Only time will tell for sure. I thought the cropped sensor was due to manufacturing costs when the technology wasn't ripe yet. I could be wrong, but I thought there was no quality difference due to the crop factor anyhow? Doesn't a 10 mp 1.6 crop and a 10mp FF sensor produce the same size/quality image? Just one has a different focal length. I also thought the crop factor made it easier to use cheaper glass because the edges of the image aren't used and that's where most cheaper lenses produce distortion or vignetting. Then again, you have to buy the real expensive super wides to get a decent wide shot with a crop.


adtr
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Feb 11, 2006, 3:11 AM

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I am still learning about digital cameras but I thinkt that the chip size works just as it does with video, so bigger chip=brighter, clearer picture


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GmElliott
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Feb 14, 2006, 12:57 PM

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Somewhat. I belive the pixel density of the larger chips are actually less. One concept that DOES carry over from video is that a larger chip will yeild a shallower depth of field. A very favorable look to me personally.








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GmElliott
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Feb 15, 2006, 3:35 PM

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Glen,

What are you asking for your 1D Mk II? I've been thinking of upgrading from my 10D.

You going to add "Armed with Glen's 1D mkII to your signature now"...lol I'm arming you up Todd, you'll be able to battle your way off that island in no time. Though who would ever want to leave. Thanks again man.

I ordered the 5D today- should arrive tomorrow. One of the benefits of living close to NYC. Wink I'll post my comments/opinions once I get it and have a chance to give it a whirl for a little while. I'm praying I don't regret the swap. I really liked the build of the 1-series body. Take care of her Todd!


PS Let me know if your going to sell the 10D and for how much. I might be able to help find a buyer for it.








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Postal_Boy
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Feb 16, 2006, 9:56 AM

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And Glen expands his collection again (and again, Postal=jealous)

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GmElliott
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Feb 16, 2006, 2:51 PM

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Not really- more like a shift. Out with the 1DmkII and in with the 5D. As Jenn M would say....it's all about balance.








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Toogy
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Feb 16, 2006, 4:33 PM

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You'll love the 5D, I rented one earlier this week for a corporate shoot. The resolution is incredible!! The detail in 100% crops is amazing.

I should have known it would happen, but after using it for a day, I sort of dislike my 20D :(
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Postal_Boy
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Feb 16, 2006, 4:58 PM

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"Noooo!!!! That's impossssibllllleee!!!!!"

Don't say things like that! You'll get me hesitating about the 20d

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Mathew
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Feb 19, 2006, 7:33 PM

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"Noooo!!!! That's impossssibllllleee!!!!!"

Don't say things like that! You'll get me hesitating about the 20d

-Postal
Why? Unless you have an extra $1700 to invest. With that you can buy an extra 20D body and a decent lens or two.