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Marc
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Dec 5, 2005, 3:30 PM

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Took on a last minute wedding video, so I'm getting myself a Canon 20D. I'm pretty much a novice on the still side. I've read about a billion "which is the best all around lens for a newbie" posts (I'll be shooting family stuff and easing into weddings).

I'm leaning towards the 20D body, the 24-70/2.8 and the 50/1.4 (2300 at B&H after rebates). The only thing I read that makes me hesitate on the 24-70, is that it may be a little tough for a novice to get good sharp images (no IS).

My questions are:

1 - Do I really need an IS lens

2 - What type (brand) of CompactFlash cards should I get (I'm thinking 1 GB)

3 - Is this set up fast enough to get some practice on the camera with available light and the built in flash, or should I figure out a way (read: get cheaper lenses) to get a good flash.

Thanks


jt53787
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Dec 5, 2005, 6:12 PM

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Hey Marc,

1. I would say that you don't need the IS version on a 24-70 lens. It's wide enough that you should be able to hold it still just fine. Especially if you shoot video. And definitely get the 2.8. That will definitely keep you from getting blurred shots as well, in low light.

The 50mm 1.4 is one of my favorite lenses. I use it for all of the bride getting ready shots. Great for details! And the best part is that you can usually shoot anything without a flash when you are at 1.4 I usually find myself having to shoot a little more with this one though because the Depth of Field is so crazy at 1.4 and i can't always get the focus that I want. If you shoot people with it...remember, eyes must be your focus point.

When you eventually look into a 70-200 2.8...definitely get the IS version!

2. I shoot with Lexar 2GB 80x cards from B&H and haven't had a single problem. You're definitely going to want to get a 2GB card when you are shooting 8+ Megapixels. I think you can get one rebate for $30 from B&H right now for the 2GB Lexar cards.

3. I would say invest in the lenses now. Otherwise you're going to majorly regret it. You can always rent a flash for super cheap from a local camera shop. I think it was $12 for me to rent one for a weekend.
With 2.8 and 1.4 lenses you are going to be able to shoot in most situations. And don't forget that the Canons do pretty good at higher ISO settings. Definitely don't skimp on lenses now.

JT
http://www.jeffersontodd.com


daremo
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Dec 10, 2005, 1:21 PM

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Kingston Elite Pro is good enough as well. I would recommend that you definitely get 2 GB or 4 Gb. I just picked up 2 x 4 Gb Kingston's from Dell recently and they work great.

If you plan on only getting a few 1 Gb compact flash, I would recommend building a lithium battery operated 2.5 harddrive enclosure. I just recently built one with a 40 GB harddrive. I can connect a usb multi-card reader to it and it will automatically copy all the data on my flash memory to the harddrive. Oops...forgot to mention that it cost only about $80 to build.


- Anything that kills you, only makes me stronger.

(This post was edited by daremo on Dec 10, 2005, 1:23 PM)


Jeko
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Dec 11, 2005, 1:49 AM

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Daremo,
I've been seeking exactly what you describe!! .... a portable powered drive (with no need to fire-up laptop) for image storage. Can you be more descriptive regarding powering this, and how simply connecting a card reader yields image transfer?

Maybe some more specific part numbers might be needed.

Thanks in advance.

Jeko

Sony VX2100's, iRivers, M-audio 24/96, Canon 5Ds/20Ds (and too much glass), Vegas6, PhotoShop CS3, Lightroom, etc.


daremo
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Dec 11, 2005, 1:04 PM

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Hey Jeko,

I'm going to Hawaii on Dec 30th...which was the whole reason for building the battery powered harddrive enclosure and plan on not bring a laptop to store all the pictures I hope to take. There are actually several companies that make a battery powered harddrive enclosure. I bought the cheapest one that I could find at the time it was $20 (onsale)-

http://www.pcmicrostore.com/...q=c:36232;p:10502274

This specific model only supports a few different brands of 2.5 harddrives. So I picked up a 40 GB Fujitsu laptop drive that was on the list from Computer Giant, I found the notebook drive through pricewatch.com

MHT2040AT NEW FUJITSU 40GB 4200RPM EIDE NOTEBOOK/LAPTOP HARD DRIVE, 2MB CACHE BUFFER , ULTRA ATA/100 (ATA-6) , 2.5INCH -9.5MM, IN STOCK! 3 YEAR FUJITSU WARRANTY

I guess it was onsale when I bought it since I paid $62 for it and now it's $74.00.

When you put it together, you have to partition the drive into 2 partitions. First partition is FAT32 and can only go up to 32 GBs (windows restriction when formating drive via Windows 2000 or Windows XP) and the Second partition can be whatever you want - I made it a NTFS partition. The first partition is what is used by the drive enclosure when copying the files.

The enclosure comes with 2 usb cables. The first usb cable is to attach the drive directly to your computer. The second usb cable is really a usb adapter to allow you to attach your camera usb cable to your usb drive's usb cable. Direct connection from camera to drive only works for specific camera models. It didn't work for the Canon 20D at least not with this enclosure. However, you can take a multi-card reader and attach it to the drive. I have 2 different models - Lexar multi-card reader and one generic brand Syntax multi-card reader. The Lexar one I got from Surplus computers for like $7.99, it's very nice...about the size of a credit card and only 1/2 inch or so thick.

Once you attach the multi-card reader to the drive...it beeps and lets you know it's able to connect. Then you press the only button on the harddrive enclosure and it starts copying.


- Anything that kills you, only makes me stronger.


Jeko
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Dec 11, 2005, 2:36 PM

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Thank you very much for the exceptional detail too.

As I stated, this looks ideal. It will be tested soon.

Jeko

Sony VX2100's, iRivers, M-audio 24/96, Canon 5Ds/20Ds (and too much glass), Vegas6, PhotoShop CS3, Lightroom, etc.


WLR
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Dec 11, 2005, 5:20 PM

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Took on a last minute wedding video, so I'm getting myself a Canon 20D. Good choice. Have shot 7k+ images on mine since Jan. I'm pretty much a novice on the still side. I've read about a billion "which is the best all around lens for a newbie" posts (I'll be shooting family stuff and easing into weddings).

I'm leaning towards the 20D body, the 24-70/2.8 and the 50/1.4 (2300 at B&H after rebates). The only thing I read that makes me hesitate on the 24-70, is that it may be a little tough for a novice to get good sharp images (no IS).

My questions are:

1 - Do I really need an IS lens Wouldn't hurt. Especially when you you get into some type of hand held long exposure situation. The 17-85 is my workhorse lens. A 50mm 1.4 because of the non full size ccd will actually be an 80mm lens with even a thinner depth of field. If thats what you really want, use only the center focusing point. My 17-85 works out to a 27-136mm Full size image works out to an 8x12. Wouldnt worry about needing a f2.8, just bump up the iso (gain) to 800, 1600, or even 3200 for the sequence. Just dont forget to go back down to 400 as 3200 is a bit grainey, if you look for it.3rd party lenses are up to you, I tried one by Tamron and it took a couple tries to lock focus on a dish of candy. The Canon lens' has been first time, every time, unless you are asking it to do something weird.

2 - What type (brand) of CompactFlash cards should I get (I'm thinking 1 GB) I use the SanDisk 512mb & 1gb chips. I know a photographer who has had problems with 2gb chips. Besides too many of the eggs would be in "one basket". Also, SanDisk provides recovery s/w in the event images get erased accidently. Never edit anything on the chip, dump it to the hd first. Write your name & phone number on the chip along with some bright orange tape so it gets found and returned if it gets misplaced.

3 - Is this set up fast enough to get some practice on the camera with available light and the built in flash, or should I figure out a way (read: get cheaper lenses) to get a good flash. The integral flash really isn't going to cut it for group shots.....It's good for couples, ect. Don't shoot it vertically, you'll get horrible side shadows. Make a vert from a horz shot as the real sized image is something like 32x48" wide....... Any automatic flash will do in a pinch, just practice with it to get a feel what it can & cannot do. I've used a Nikon SB20 with good results. I have the 580ex. $$ well spent. It follows what focal length you use. The 17-85 hood will cause a bottom shadow when at 17mm. Also have the battery grip. Just be aware that when the batterys go down to 30 degrees F, they say "no can do".
SO, there ya go. It's a great camera. Takes a little getting used to. But to know it is to love it. PS. Set your K temp to 5500



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Hud
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Dec 11, 2005, 9:01 PM

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Cool idea - Thanks. The Epson p-2000 and i-pod are nice, but $500 is not in the budget right now. Under $100 sounds do-able.


Hud
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Dec 11, 2005, 9:21 PM

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I went with the 20d, 24-70/2.8, 50/1.4, 16mm wide angle Zenitar ($145 - ebay), two 1gb Lexar cards, and an extra BP-511A battery. Everything should be here Tuesday. It's like Christmas - oh wait, it is! The 580ex is next on the list (this summer hopefully). The list of "must have" accessories seems endless. The battery grip, back pack, some type of portable drive, etc. etc. . . I also ordered the Blue Crane 20d training dvd.

This isn't going to be good for my editing back log!


mcguyver
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Dec 12, 2005, 4:30 AM

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I went with the 20d, 24-70/2.8, 50/1.4, 16mm wide angle Zenitar ($145 - ebay), two 1gb Lexar cards, and an extra BP-511A battery. Everything should be here Tuesday. It's like Christmas - oh wait, it is! The 580ex is next on the list (this summer hopefully). The list of "must have" accessories seems endless. The battery grip, back pack, some type of portable drive, etc. etc. . . I also ordered the Blue Crane 20d training dvd.

This isn't going to be good for my editing back log!



When you get your 580ex, you may want to look into getting Gary Fong's Lightsphere:

http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=4282948&showprevnext=1

I have the older version of this (the white plastic version) and use it whenever I shoot wedding photos. Really makes a difference.

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