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DJ
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Jul 25, 2006, 1:30 PM

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Lately, I've been working with the built in bounce card and the head straight up, getting both ceiling and card bounce light, but also playing with a remote flash head off the camera.

(Sorry for the multiple posts, but it's the only way to do multiple images.)

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DJ
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Jul 25, 2006, 1:38 PM

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I don't know about your bounce card on the flash, but mine does not tilt back allowing for different amounts of light to be thrown forward. For instance ... on a processional when the bride is further away the flip-it can be tilted to throw more light forward. As she gets closer it's easy to pull it back, allowing more light to bounce straight up.

It's called tilting the flash head forward.

My built in bounce card will also not work in portrait mode, while the flip-it will. I will never purchase a bracket.

Y'know... I've got a StroboFrame that I'd be willing to sell real cheap.
I'm actually reconsidering a new bracket tho'. Extremely low profile and tight around the lens: Newton Camera Bracket

Watched a photog use one this past weekend and it was saweeeet!

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(This post was edited by DJ on Jul 25, 2006, 1:46 PM)

Scott Brooks
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Jul 25, 2006, 1:58 PM

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Strobframe, bracket ... nothing ... I'm not adding anymore weight to the camera. That's one reason why I didn't go with the LS. Well ... I did, but won't use it. It's too awkward. It also sucks up a boat load of light.

The thing about the flip-is is that it's just a push of the button to go from portrait to landscape. As far as tilting the flash its self ... mine (the 580) is much harder to adjust than a card on a hinge. However, if someone is comfortable doing that then I guess they should.

I realize not everyone likes the same thing ... that must be why there's so many of them.

Jenn M
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Jul 25, 2006, 2:04 PM

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HI DJ,

Thanks for taking the time!

As for shooting modes... I'm all for learning settings and working outside P and green box whenever possible. But I find it helpful to shoot in P first and see what the camera is reading, and compare it to what I think I know should be the settings and then adjust in manual to achieve MY desired results. Does that makes sense?

Brian was just dialing in random numbers and shooting to see what the results would be. IMO, that's not only wasteful in that he could be missing key shots, but I don't think he's learning much by doing it that way. He's not a big fan of reading manuals or guides, so he like to do it the trial-and-error way, which again IMO is not the most productive, efficient way.

For WB, I often shoot using the shade mode indoors. I like the warmer results. I haven't tried cloudy with the flash yet, though. I thought that might be too orange? I'll give that a looksee though.

Thanks again!

RustyB
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Jul 27, 2006, 11:59 AM

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......Though the flip-it is nice for whoever invented it as they'll make tons of money off of novices and gadget freaks, don't most flashes already have a built in bounce crad? Hmmm? ......but you really should learn your equipment and how to use them.

I see the pic you posted of the so-called "built in bounce card". I don't know Canon equipment, but I'd guess they don't have a "built in bounce card". If it has a semi-transparent piece of plastic that pulls out, it's probably a wide-angle diffuser, which is not intended to be used at all in the upright position, and not intended to be used in bounce mode. At least that's how it works on my Olympus, and might be worth checking out in the Canon flash manual, for improved results. Wink

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Scott Brooks
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Jul 27, 2006, 12:16 PM

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I see the pic of you using the so-called "built in bounce card". I don't know Canon equipment, but I'd guess they don't have a "built in bounce card". If it has a semi-transparent piece of plastic that pulls out, it's probably a wide-angle diffuser, which is not intended to be used at all in the upright position, and not intended to be used in bounce mode. At least that's how it works on my Olympus, and might be worth checking out in the Canon flash manual, for improved results. Wink

The Canons have both the diffuser as well as a white card that pulls out and is a bounce card. That's what it's made for. I can't remember if the Nikon flash has it or not.

RustyB
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Jul 27, 2006, 12:19 PM

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The Canons have both the diffuser as well as a white card that pulls out and is a bounce card. That's what it's made for. I can't remember if the Nikon flash has it or not.

That's cool! I don't think I've ever seen a photog using it??

I see..I had to go look it up in the Canon manual....

"With the Catchlight Panel, you can create a catchlight in the subject's eyes to add life to the facial expression."

Neat feature...but I guess not much use if you are using a bounce card or diffuser of some sort.

garycox
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Jul 31, 2006, 11:05 AM

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I have the Canon 20d and the 550EX flash. It's a very powerful flash and I've shot all the way across an auditorium before with very good results. However, I've had shots before that look like yours, kinda dark during the dancing. Sometimes the issue is where the camera meters off such as the white dress will make the rest look dark. I've experiemented with setting the focus point to just one point and pointing it at a midtone such as skin and had some limited results. It seems to be more of a problem of flash exposure compensation. I've actually had a Canon 420 flash attached to one 20d and the 550ex to another and in the same circumstances the 550ex exposed everything well while the 420 didn't.

I know a lot of people don't like to but full automatic may have done better for you in this circumstance as I believe you said you were on manual... I sometimes use manual settings if I have time to setup a shot and figure out everything or if I'm trying to produce a certain effect or perhaps conphensate for backlight if the camera doesn't automatically do so.

... Gary

Scott Brooks
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Jul 31, 2006, 12:11 PM

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Apparently with the Canon you cannot use the zoom in/focus/recompose to get your settings unless you use the FEL.

You can use your exposure compensation and bump it up if metering off a white dress or down if a black tux. I may also consider changing my focus point to the one above center so that I'm actually metering more off the flesh tones.

My last wedding I found myself shooting more in manual during the reception. I've still got work to do.

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