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Engagement shots - our first attempt!

 

 


Jenn M
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Sep 11, 2006, 11:56 PM

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Here's some shots from our first semi-official shoot. I say 'semi' official b/c they haven't hired us to shoot the wedding yet ( though she said she's interested). She actually cuts my hair and I told her what we're up to, expanding to include photo, and I asked if she was interested in letting us shoot some shots for samples, since she just got engaged. Here's the results. Anyfeedback welcome!























And here's some more:
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Thanks for looking!


(This post was edited by Jenn M on Sep 12, 2006, 12:09 AM)


Storm Crow
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Sep 12, 2006, 9:01 AM

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They look nice Jenn! Seems someone is very much enjoying the photo side of the business. I am too. As for the pictures I like them all and I'm sure they will too. The ones that they will probably use are going to be the ones the show their faces well and yet show fun or intimacy. I wish you the best!
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videobear
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Sep 12, 2006, 11:38 AM

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I like all of them except the first one...it looks too much like most of my video footage, with the bride turned the other way.




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Jenn M
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Sep 12, 2006, 11:47 AM

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Thanks. Yeah, I like the lighting on the first one, but I agree. As a matter of fact, that was one of the very first shots I took, so they weren't quite relaxed yet. The first spot we went to, I didn't give them any direction whatsoever (video-style), just told them to interact and talk to each other then I just moved around them and took some shots, so they would become more comfortable with us being there.

Seemed to work b/c as you can see by the later ones, they were fine.


Jenn M
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Sep 12, 2006, 11:50 AM

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Thanks Storm. It was a great learning experience - learning to shoot with the pressure of people waiting for you to get going. Just like with video, it takes time before all those settings become second nature.


szerangue
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Sep 12, 2006, 12:01 PM

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I am a big fan of extreme closeups and rule of thirds so I like the 5 & 6 the best. They both seem less posed and I like the composition. I like 7 too but something about them being totally centered in the frame throws me off. But how was it Jenn? Did you go in with a storyboard or a list of shots that you wanted to get? Did you tell them what colors to wear according the location you were going to shoot?
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Jenn M
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Sep 12, 2006, 12:40 PM

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Hi Shane,

It was sooo much fun - I had a blast. I love being able to interact with them. You have so much more control. But it does take some practice. A few times at recent weddings, I had a split second to snap off 2 or 3 shots for a DVD cover, and I rushed, so they didn't come out very good. You do have to train yourself to take your time and to evaluate the image before you snap the shutter, making the proper adjustments, not only with settings, but with posture and positioning. That was where I went wrong before, also. I didn't give them any instruction (at those previous weddings) and as a result, the still image suffered for it (hunched shoulders or scrunched faces). I have to remind myself that I am allowed to speak and interject some direction, which I did more of yesterday at the engagement shoot, and it paid off.

The centered shot - yeah, I know what you mean, but it would probably work well as a square print. In that case, that was one of those spontaneous moments that I quickly snapped the shutter to capture the emotion, obviously paying less attention to framing. But I was just happy to get some genuine reactions. Something I've always noticed with video - often times the subjects with have the genuine reaction or emotion AFTER the photographer lowers his/her camera. That was the case here, my camera was on the way down - I quickly pulled it up and snapped that off. I now understand better why it's nice to have 2 photogs - one to be the principal photographer, directing and posing; the other to caputre more genuine spontaneous stuff, like with video.

Like I said earlier, it was a little nervewracking knowing I had people waiting for me, so I didn't want to screw around with settings too long b/c I didn't want their attention or enthusiasm to wane, so I tried to work quickly and efficiently and that will come more with practice and experience. For example, in front of the tavern, (which was where the couple met) it took me a little longer to get the look I wanted, compensating the flash, making sure I had less DOF to keep the couple and the words on the building in focus, etc. The groom-to-be started getting a little anxious. He felt 'stupid' with people driving by looking at them, people in the window looking out at them, and then some pain in the arse had to walk by and make a stupid comment about papparazzi. So it pays to learn appropriate settings, which again comes from practice, so you can work quickly and efficiently and not 'lose' your subject.

Christine, the bride-to-be, did ask what they should wear. I told her to wear whatever they felt comfortable in, but it's better if they don't clash - such as to wear the same color in different shades or whatever. Or, if they wanted to wear black shirts with denim jeans - something like that. But she chose green since that is going to be the color for her wedding, and I like that. Incorporating those personal elements - I always enjoyed that with video, so I hope to continue it with the photo. Like asking how they met - she told me it was at that Tavern, which happened to be right up the street from the park, so I suggested we go there. Whoo-hoo!

About posing them - I again had to remind myself that it was 'okay' for them to look at me. With video, I've never been a huge fan with the subjects looking into the camera. It just felt 'odd,' but with photography, obviously, that's the norm. Most of the shots I took have them looking at each other, chatting or whatever. I do tend to prefer that look b/c as you said, it's more natural, less posed, which I hope will become our 'style.' But still, I'm aware, people DO expect those standard shots, so like I said, I have to remind myself to tell them to look at me.

Similiarly, I have to remind myself to shoot wide. I, too, prefer the extreme close-ups, BUT especially with weddings, brides want to see their gown! I JUST had a bride pick up her video, and as always, I asked about her photos. One of her 'complaints' was that the photographer didn't get any full length shots during their first dance, and very few full length formals. Ah-ha! That's why I remind myself to do it. After all, you can always crop the image if you need to (though you lose a little quality). But variety is key. Tight, medium, wide. I did take an extreme closeup of the ring, as well (which I didn't post here) so I did my best to vary shots.

Wow, I guess I rambled long enough. Hopefully some of this will help. It is a lot to think about. I shot everything in manual as I prefer that and find I like the control (big surprise - me, the control freak). The tricky thing is learning how your camera reacts to different lighting situations (again, something that comes with practice) and adjusting accordingly. I used fill flash on nearly every shot, since I just read the PlanetNeil info on flash - (thanks for the link, guys!). Brian shot without flash. Both yeilded nice results.

I still have to keep practicing so this all becomes second nature! It much nicer to be able to pay attention to the composition and content and just know the settings I want to use to achieve a certain look.


szerangue
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Sep 12, 2006, 1:00 PM

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Thanks for the info, Jenn. Sounds like you had a fun and busy day. Last weekends wedding had a photographer from DC. He was great, very nice and easy to work with. He had 3 cameras and shot everything on film. I asked about that and he said he just like the look a better. He did not bad mouth digital at all, just stated it was his preference. At the reception, he had 2 flashes (2 that I know of) that were positioned in the corners (it was a very big tent) that were acting as slaves to his camera. He showed me some kind of remote switch he had but there was no real time to see how it all worked together. I told him that a couple of weeks ago I tried my hand at photography at the end of the night while the guests were dancing and the photographer had left. But I found my pictures all had very dark backgrounds. Understandable since I was basically pointing the flash directly at the subjects. That was when he pointed out his fill flashes that he had strategically positioned. The only thing about that was, there were some guests there that I knew from a previous wedding I had shot and they stopped me and asked me if I could get the photographer to move the flash because every time he took a picture it blinded them. I let him know and I think he made some adjustment but he said it was a f1.4 flash (I did not even know that was how they were rated!) and it was going to blind somebody no matter what adjustment he made.
I spoke with a photographer in town that I befriended at a recent wedding and she has invited me to join the Guild. The next meeting is tomorrow and I am pretty pumped to start getting involved and learning more about it.
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videochicke
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Sep 12, 2006, 1:38 PM

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Looks good Jenn! I like the shots with the bride to be's hair backlit. It just makes her pop from the background.
Julie


Brackish
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Jenn M
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Sep 12, 2006, 3:10 PM

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ACtually, for practical reasons - to fit the words. I was zoomed as wide as I could go with the lens (17-55), and every freakin' time I stepped into the street, a car had to come, and this was when the groom-to-be was getting anxious and uncomfortable with people watching him, so I hurried. (Otherwise, I might have been able to switch to the 10-20mm). But I kind of like it, it gives it a whimsical look, I think.

I took some straight shots, but the words were cut off or the framing wasn't quite right, due to the angle. So they have options - I just like this one best.

(Funny, though - I sent them to my mom to show her what we were up to, and she said, "But the last one is crooked." I thought of Rusty right away!)


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....."But the last one is crooked." I thought of Rusty right away!)



CoolTongue

It's pretty common. Like I say, I do it all the time with video. But for some reason it just bugs me in photos, and I'm gonna stop doing it in videos. Sometimes it works I suppose. I guess in photos, if the horizon is not exactly perfect, it triggers a problem in the brain. In those old movies, dutch angles were used to define the scene with some kind of disorder or distress....I guess that's why I find it so appropriate for wedding video.Laugh

Nice pics BTW!




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Brackish
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Postal Boy
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Sep 12, 2006, 5:39 PM

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On the last shot the building draws all of the attention...like it is a promo for the building, not the couple.

On #5, the couple is on the right third, but I would crop it a little to put them in the upper/right third or at the lower right third at the thirds intersection. Easily done in PS.

They look really nice, though. Nice job.




Shadow
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Sep 12, 2006, 11:57 PM

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Those are beautiful - you'd never know it was a first engagement shoot, really, those are very professional looking photos.

well done and thanks for sharing.


JeffErie
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Sep 13, 2006, 8:20 AM

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Wow...what a difference a month makes.

Just some thoughts...get a diffuser (butterfly), have the whippin' boy hold it and get them into the sun. The struggle with some of the pics is not composition, they are great that way. It is differential lighting. The images lose "pop" because the lighting is flat....BUY a diffuser (a big one that can be handled by one person) and have Brian hold it while you shoot.


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Postal Boy
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Sep 13, 2006, 9:49 AM

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We taped a wedding where the guy used a reflector - silver on one side, gold on the other - and he used the gold side (his wife was his "whipping boy") and the shots turned out really nice. Warms them up a bit, plus makes them "pop" from the background in a way that a flash doesn't. He put them in the shade, but within a distance that the reflector could still cast a nice glow on the couple. Made a lot of difference.

-Postal


Jenn M
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Sep 14, 2006, 8:37 PM

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Thanks Jeff. We do have a reflector but didn't think to use it. Actually in this case, I was better of skipping it. Groom was kind of self conscious. The bride-to-be told me he felt stupid with people watching them (passersby in the park). I hope he changes his mind when he sees the pics.


Jenn M
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Thanks Heidi. I'm so looking forward to doing more.