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Essentials for a NEW Photographer.

 

 


ChopSueyChris
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Jan 22, 2005, 10:06 PM

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So let's start it here, Educate the new and misinformed. Someone once came to VU in search of understanding the "HOW TO's" on video,editing,delivering to customers, options etc.
So let's make this the big General discussion. Add good points on Cameras,brackets,flashes, single light as compared to double lighting with fill flashes, filters,lens(how to pick out a good lens from a decent one when purchasing), how you should/could/will delivery products to customers, and the list goes on.


So rookies, ask away... Vets... post your "how to's".


Enjoy all.
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I got some stuff.


Luisa Winters
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Jan 23, 2005, 9:55 AM

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Great topic!

Speaking from a total newbie's point of view...

This is what I believe I will do (please correct any ignorant and misinformed statements):
  • The only way to get better is practice, practice (how do you get to Carnegie Hall?)
  • This includes flash settings and positions, lighting (one point, 2-point, 3-point)
  • Always be honest with the customer ("Hey, I have never shot pictures professionally, but here are some of the shots that I have")
  • As far as pictures processing - I am very familiar with Photoshop (very, very familiar) and believe that any processing will be a piece of cake (if any is necessary)
  • Album layout (in case a wedding is ever photograph - not in my plans, but who knows?). This one is trickier. There is an art form to this and I am not familiar with it at all... Better take some classes before attempting to do this.
  • Delivery - easy, at first just deliver a CDROM with the images (not in RAW, although I will shoot RAW). After learning from good labs, etc... then we can start offering an actual photo to the client. As long as the client knows that we are newbies at this, I see no conflict.

I see this as being not too different from starting a video business having no experience (did that about 17 years ago!). I believe that it is essential to be honest with the customer, and it is imperative to practice, and practice, and practice. In my view, this is the one thing that will let us newbies become professional.

Attending as many seminars as possible is also of the utmost importance... right now there are plenty Photoshop seminars going around the country (I usually go to as many as I can!). Seminars about lighting, about composition, etc are very, very necessary as well. Photography, just like video requires technical knowledge so the better handle we have at this the more freedom we will gain to be creative (know the rules before you can break them!).
Teaming with a local, professional photographer is also beneficial, although not always possible.

Specific how to? I don't have any questions yet... I guess I'd better get some gear first...Wink

Luisa Winters
Luisa C. Winters
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GmElliott
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Jan 23, 2005, 11:08 PM

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Chris I'd personally like to know about dual flash setups verus single flash. Thanks.








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GmElliott
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Jan 28, 2005, 12:41 PM

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Bump- hey Chris...you didn't think you could start this thread and abandon it did you? Cool








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ChopSueyChris
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Jan 28, 2005, 8:03 PM

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heck no sir. just running through lotd of work i appoligize.
I got some editing for the websites to do tonight, durring downtime i will go into details of the multiple flash and duel light setups and how they benefit us.
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Pacman
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Jan 29, 2005, 4:32 PM

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This isn't very technical in nature, but I have no idea how it's done so....

Do most digital photogs have their own printing equipment or are the photos retouched/enhanced in the studio and the photoshop files sent somewhere for printing?

If so where, and how much is say an 11X14 print?

What kind of equipment do you need to print a pro quality 8X10 or 11X14 and what is the process? Sublimation Dye?

Thanks,
PAC

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keliann78
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Jun 15, 2005, 11:38 AM

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I could practically copy Luisa Winters' post word-for word, so I definitely need some technical assistance from the Vets around here.

My camera: Olympus Evolt E-300

Accessories: none

Experience: at least 5 years amateur photography with a lot of "those are amazing" comments at the pictures

Goals: To help out those couple who are on tight budgets and can't afford a "professional" wedding photographer. I believe my work is good enough to at least get my foot in the door, and then, the possibilities are endless, in my mind. I am fully prepared to fall on my face, but I want to at least give it a shot.

Question: What are my must-haves?

Lenses?

Flashes?

Resources?

Thanks!! Smile


keliann78
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Jun 15, 2005, 11:39 AM

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heck no sir. just running through lotd of work i appoligize.
I got some editing for the websites to do tonight, durring downtime i will go into details of the multiple flash and duel light setups and how they benefit us.


This would be wonderful!!! Wink


Caterpillar
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Jun 17, 2005, 12:44 AM

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I could practically copy Luisa Winters' post word-for word, so I definitely need some technical assistance from the Vets around here.



True. I would qualify it though with the word "correct" practice. I have seen many photographers who have 20 years or more under belt but who have bad habits. One photographer who was a 20 year veteran wondered why we didn't use flash in many of our shots. We told them we can handhold shots on avg about 1/20 at 50mm with a high batting ratio. He couldn't believe it was true. We showed him (we use digital dslr) our shots. Then we told him, part of the reason why he couldn't do it is-- 1. He was told about the 1/<focal length) rule and believed it was inviolable, 2. that good posture and camera technique is not part of the equation.




My camera: Olympus Evolt E-300

Accessories: none

Experience: at least 5 years amateur photography with a lot of "those are amazing" comments at the pictures

Goals: To help out those couple who are on tight budgets and can't afford a "professional" wedding photographer. I believe my work is good enough to at least get my foot in the door, and then, the possibilities are endless, in my mind. I am fully prepared to fall on my face, but I want to at least give it a shot.

Question: What are my must-haves?

Lenses?

For weddings, the common and most used focal length is the 28-70 in 35mm format. For your Oly, that would be 14-35mm lens. Of course you have the 14-50 if I am not mistaken. This is about 90-95% of the shooting requirement. BTW, there is also the need for speed, and not just a regular 28-70. F2.8 is the bare minimum.


Other focal lenses are just bonuses (e.g. 70-200 or in Oly 35-100 or its equivalalent). Again f2.8 or faster is desired. If it has image stabilization it helps.

Wider lenses can help spice up the shots. Dramatic vistas of the church and couple can be had with a 10-22 or whereabouts (8-17 in Oly's world). But this is again optional.


In addition to these lenses, I would suggest "learning" your lenses. Many buy lenses of varying focal lenghts and treat it as if it were a 50mm or so. A wide angle lens requires a lot of learning, a different set of "eyes" to compose. If you ask me, a wide angle lens is harder to learn than a 135mm telephoto. A telephoto requires better handholding skills and physical control, however. The nature of wide angle lenses means there are more elements to "control" and more lens idiosyncrasies (perpspective control, barrel/pincussion distortions, flare, etc) to manage.



Flashes?

Flashes can be any flash. The key to flash is knowing how to use it and it should be strong or powerful enough. You can use the manufacturer's flash or 3rd party. But it should be strong. I see many pros who like the small and less powerful versions. This is nice and handy, but if you have to bounce the light or diffuse it, your range is shortened. It is also advisable that the flash have a manual setting in case you want to do the exposure by yourself. A slave capability would also be nice, but not necessary.



Resources?
Any book would do I guess.



This is just barely scratching the surface.
I would say this though, though good gear is good. Good technique and good habits are better. You will change equipment in your lifetime. But you will be stuck with yourself for the rest of your life. Therefore, Invest in learning and improving yourself more. Even if the gear is expensive, you can always save up for it and get it eventually. But you cannot buy a better version of yourself.

Caterpillar


wes calvin
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Jun 24, 2005, 1:12 PM

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2 - Canon 20d DSLR with vertical grips and two batteries each
1 - 28-135 IS lens
1 - 70-300 lens
1 - 16mm
4 - 4gb microdrives and use them all :)
1 - good tall tripod
1 - monopod
1 - 580ex flash (550ex work great too)
2- 420ex flashes
1 - off camera shoe cord 2
1 - good flash bracket
16 - I use 2300mAh NiMH batteries w/ 1 hr charger
1 - piece of paper taped to flash head (bounce)
2 - shots of whiskey

Shoot RAW for everything. (not all DSLRs can are fast enought to shoot this way.)
Shoot nine million of everything.
Have a fast computer with photoshop... plenty of RAM and disk space.
I bring two WL3200 monolights with radio slaves, and use them eveytime I can.

My Dad once gave my the single best advise ever...
"Act like you own the place."

Have FUN.
Wes


(This post was edited by wes calvin on Jun 24, 2005, 5:11 PM)


WLR
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Jun 28, 2005, 9:01 PM

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Nerves of steel, patience of a sniper, quick reflexes, fresh batterys, and a heart that can feel emotion.

IMG301 is the mom dancing with her daughter at the daughter's sweet 16 party.

All you need is a 125th of a second.
It's up to you which one.



WLR


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Postal_Boy
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Jun 30, 2005, 2:34 PM

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Mom looks into it, but the daughter doesn't look thrilled Blush
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Mark Newman
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Jul 11, 2005, 12:01 PM

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Maybe you could close the daughters eyes in photoshop. :)


WLR
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Jul 12, 2005, 9:23 PM

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LOL... This dance was toward the end of the evening and all the kids at this point were pretty well fried.

They were very nice people to work with and have promised us referrals for future events.

WLR


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