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Home: Video University Forums: Digital Photography for Videographers:
Greteg or Spyder?

 

 


Postal Boy
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May 3, 2007, 12:20 PM

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Got a paying video gig, so now I can buy a monitor calibrator for my photo stuff. The choices are:

Greteg eye-one display 2 (about $250)
Spyder 2 Pro (about $250)

Reviews comparing both seem to be mixed.

Any recommendations by people that are using them?

-Postal


Postal Boy
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May 3, 2007, 3:59 PM

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I got the eye-one display 2 after going over reviews...$229+shipping. Reviews stated that most of the time there were minor differences, some saying one was better than the other, but all of them saying that the eye-one took about 5 minutes for calibration, and the spyder taking about 20 minutes. There was about $30 difference between them. I didn't wait longer for input because I am an impatient snob and wanted to get next-day delivery before today's shipping deadline...even though I won't be using it for a few days (but at least I will have it in my greedy, grubby little pawsSly)

-Postal


szerangue
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May 5, 2007, 1:17 AM

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None,,, no reason to buy one. There are better ways to color correct your images, if you need to.
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Alan R
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May 5, 2007, 9:42 AM

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I have the eye-one here and am quite happy with it


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Brackish
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May 5, 2007, 9:54 AM

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There are better ways to color correct your images,


Like what?


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szerangue
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May 5, 2007, 2:30 PM

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The way I understand it, and my understanding is somewhat limited so bear with me. There are 2 important adjustments to be made on a color monitor... gamma and temperature. These setting should be adjusted to the correct gamma and temp. The temp should be set at 6500k and the gamma can be corrected by downloading templates off the internet and comparing to a printed calibrated chart.
Once you have that set, then color correction is more a mathematical equation than a WYSIWYG. In other words, using color metering to correct your image rather your eye will give you more accurate color in your image and in your printer than using something like a a spyder. What the Spyder will do is say, ok your monitor says this is grey, but when I put my suction cup on the screen, I am seeing that the grey is not so grey so I am going to make adjustments to what you see on your screen so grey looks more like grey... OK... that is fine and now what you are SEEING is a more accurate grey... BUT the data on your image is not changed at all, it just looks better on the screen, so you make your adjustments according to what you see on the screen. So you may open up your image and say, wow that looks great, no image adjustment necessary, when in fact, the image may be off. Its like opening up your image and seeing a bluish hue and putting a magenta filter over the screen and saying, oh that looks better.. the image data did not change, but it looks better.
Rather, if you mathematically change the data on your image you are more likely to get a more accurate data adjustment, even though the color you see on the screen is off.
Having said that, let say you have your monitor calibrated with a spyder.. ok, no problem. As long as you still use a mathematical method to adjust the color rather than just what your eye sees on the screen, you will still get a correctly adjusted image. And the bonus here will be that the image will look better on your screen because the monitor has been calibrated.
So hence the argument, you don't really need a color calibrator like a Spyder.
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Postal Boy
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May 5, 2007, 11:02 PM

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What it is really doing is putting pre-done color patterns on the screen, reading what your monitor is displaying, and changing your monitor color profile to match what the software should be displaying. In other words, it doesn't adjust your monitor so things look better, it knows what the color should be (when printed), and makes it look the same on the display.

So, what you see on the screen is what you should get when printed.

I agree that you should do white balance, black levels, and so forth with color levels, but I have set the white/black levels on my screen - and then you have to adjust for skin tone, etc...there are mathematical equations for that as well, but each element of a photo may be different, and you can't adjust all of them, just the important ones.

I played with an image the other day and had everything adjusted just right (according to numeric values). However, there was a color caste to the image that we were trying to remove, and it was not even. So the skin was more bluish in one spot than another, and it depended on the angle of the face. I got it to what I THOUGHT was right, according to my display and the numbers, but when displayed on a differnt screen it was REALLY red in some of the other areas (that looked fine before).

In other words, if the monitor is displaying what will be printed (not just what "looks" good) then you are more aware of what your tweaks are doing.

So far I have seen a big difference. When someone says "that one looks a little red" I can see it rather than just "trusting" them.

I have not done any advanced profiling, just the basic, but so far so good.

-Postal


szerangue
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May 5, 2007, 11:21 PM

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I think the problem with this way of thinking is that the calibrated monitor will be displaying what will be printed. This is not so. Changing the color profile of your monitor will in fact make the image look better and truer on your monitor. The problem is the color profile that you have saved from your calibration software will not match the color profile on your printer.
You may, if you are lucky, get a print that matches the color of your calibrated monitor. I have not been that lucky in the past. Even though I get what appears to be true colors on my calibrated monitor, the printer output has rarely matched what I see on the screen.
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Brackish
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May 6, 2007, 4:29 AM

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And what if you are planning on sending out the images
for printing, rather than printing them yourself in
your studio? How do you set up your monitor so that
it matches the printer's output?


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szerangue
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May 6, 2007, 9:05 AM

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Actually, if you send your pictures out and ask for color correction, the lab will correct the photos and match the image profile to the printers profile. But the idea is to send the printer the photo without the need for color correction
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Postal Boy
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May 6, 2007, 9:50 PM

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True, but I have seen photographers get 24x20 prints messed up because the lab "color corrected" the photo that they stylized. I don't print pictures with my printer, but have them done at a lab with the SRGB profile. The software is supposed to calibrate the monitor for an accurate display of that profile, so as long as the lab is using it (and I embed it in the file) then the lab print should look like what I see on the screen.

-Postal


DarrenS
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May 11, 2007, 4:33 PM

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Good choice Postal.


DarrenS
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May 11, 2007, 4:38 PM

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NEVER ask for color correction. My gawd, that's crazy. Write NCC on the order.

Only use a lab that supplies you with their printer profiles. If they don't supply the profiles they're mickey-mouse and you should pass on them. Once you have their profiles (for the various media and inks) you can soft-proof your images in PS before submission for printing. It's the only way.

personally I got sick of using labs and the BS involved and just got me an epson 3800. Absolutely Fantastic Machine!


DarrenS
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May 11, 2007, 4:42 PM

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the color profile that you have saved from your calibration software will not match the color profile on your printer

buddy they're not supposed to match. The whole point of calibrating devices and using color profiles is so accurate number conversion can be made between the two by the color engine in your Windows/OSX.

If they matched you wouldn't need to profile in the first place.