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Need bypass for camera raw...

Laura K
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Jun 4, 2007, 4:21 PM

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I have PS2 and when I go to open my Nikon images in PS
up pops the camera raw box asking me if I want to alter
the image right there. How can I open a group of images
for editing and bypass this?
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eppievojt
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Jun 4, 2007, 4:47 PM

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Turn them into jpg/psd/tiff/some other format using lightroom or similar software.

Sparky
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Jun 4, 2007, 6:01 PM

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I have PS2 and when I go to open my Nikon images in PS
up pops the camera raw box asking me if I want to alter
the image right there. How can I open a group of images
for editing and bypass this?
L

Laura ... shooting in RAW? If you don't want to edit them in as raw images then the easiest thing to do is to change them to jpegs and go from there.

DarrenS
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Jun 5, 2007, 1:23 AM

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To convert a bunch of raw files into editable jpgs all at once you could click File > Scripts > Image Processor and then configure that dialog box to convert a whole directory of nef files into jpgs with whatever quality/size you need. Keep in mind that after editing these resultant jpgs you will be making a 2nd-generation (i.e. recompressed) file when it comes time to save it. Recompressed jpgs usually aren't very good. For best quality you need to open that nef file first then click Open on the Camera Raw screen to open it in photoshop, then make your edits and then, finally, save it as a jpg. That would be a 1st-generation jpg file (i.e. compressed only once).

RustyB
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Jun 5, 2007, 1:29 AM

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This is what has been driving me nuts with shooting RAW, thinking I couldn't go straight from RAW to PSD to do further editing! It must boil down to having an old version of PhotoShop, and not being able to get it to open Olympus RAW files, even with the plug-in. It's good to know that it can be done, however, as I didn't see the great benefits of shooting raw, if you're still going to compress it to JPG TWICE!

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DGates
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Jun 5, 2007, 1:34 AM

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Or set your Olympus to shoot both a RAW and JPEG. With your expertise, the jpegs will probably be more than sufficient, and can easily be opened and ready to fiddle with in PS. But it's nice to know that you have that RAW file available if the image needs further WB tweaking.

DarrenS
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Jun 5, 2007, 2:25 AM

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This technique still produces 2nd-gen files though. The camera compresses it first, then you compress it a second time after editing.

Here's the way I do it in case it helps anyone. Not saying it's the 'best' way but I think it's the best for me, from what I've gathered so far. I shoot only Raw files. Everything starts with the glorious Raw file. I configure PS to use xmp files in conjunction with the nef files because Raw files (in my case NEF) can never be altered in any way. The xmp file simply describes the 'changes' you make to the Raw file using the Camera Raw plugin, however the Raw file never actually changes. Once I've set the light temperature I click the Open button (which saves an updated xmp file each time you do this, by the way) and it opens inside Photoshop as a 360PPI 16-bit aRGB image. I make any further edits required and then save a never-sharpened PSD file in a subdirectory of the Raw directory called 'FullPSD_NoSharp'. This way I can remember down the road that those PSD files have never had an unsharpen filter run on them, and they're full-sized. This is very important because once you sharpen an image it can't be up or down sampled after that. You need an uncompressed version that hasn't been sharpened for making prints of various crops & sizes because unsharpened images resample better, especially upsampleing. Sharpening is always the very last thing that should be done in post.

I rarely bother with jpg files unless uploading to the website. When I need a jpg file it's made JIT-fashion (Just In Time) by opening one of the PSD files inside FullPSD_NoSharp directory, resizing to whatever size needed, sharpening, then converting to 8-bit sRGB for saving as JPG. PPI setting is irrelevant when destined for web. PPI is only relevant when outputting to paper.

Hope it helps.

Laura K
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Jun 5, 2007, 1:42 PM

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I just want to bypass the little box that lets you correct exposure so that
I can open a group of them to look at them in PS WITHOUT having to convert
them yet.

I can do a batch conversion in a heartbeat, but I just want to look at them to
see what I want to mess with. Tell me more about Lightbox. Is it worth the
never eding software cashflow?
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Jun 5, 2007, 2:18 PM

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I love Lightroom. I think it's a fabulous program for managing a digital image collection. It allows you to view collections of raw images without processing them first, and offers convenient import and organization of your digital files (put compact flash card into computer, lightroom automatically imports the files to your hd, filing them into folders by date if you select it).

One of the best features is the ability to tag images with keywords, rate images on a 5 star basis, and flag images as pick or reject. You can also create separate collections of images (like albums) for easy organization. As an example of how this can be a huge time saver - I shot individual and group pictures for a dance studio. I imported all of the photos and then added keywords for each of the kids (class name and student name). This was really simple to do, since I could highlight all of one kids images, then type the name once and have this populate all of their image keywords. I also added the student name to the caption field. I flagged my images for keepers and rejects, then exported to jpg, using the caption as part of the file name. I sent these off to the printer, and they add the file name to the back of the image - all of the kids names were on the prints when they came back. Talk about making it easier to package prints.

I love the program - it's very easy to use and saves me tons of time. It's not that expensive either. I know it's saved me tons of time... and time is money.

Brackish
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Jun 5, 2007, 2:46 PM

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So, it's never a good idea to sharpen an image twice?
Even if downsizing instead of uprezing?

Here's what I mean. Say I do my adjustments to RAW and
save it as two full-size JPEGs - one sharpened and one with no sharp.
Later on I want to make a smaller JPEG for the web.
I was thinking I'd end up with a sharper web image if
I work off the sharpened full-size JPEG. But you're saying
I should grab the full-size JPEG with no sharp, to make the
small web JPEG?

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DarrenS
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Jun 5, 2007, 3:17 PM

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I should grab the full-size JPEG with no sharp, to make the small web JPEG?

Correct.

Postal Boy
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Jun 5, 2007, 3:21 PM

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In other words...Sharpen, then send to printer. Sharpen is the last thing...I need to get the new photoshop that has more sharpen features...PS7 is pretty basic. Has what it NEEDS, but not what I WANTS!

DarrenS
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Jun 5, 2007, 11:34 PM

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Correct. Sharpen then send to printer.

In cs2 and cs3 i've been using the 'smart sharpen' filter in favor of the older 'unsharp mask'. Seems to do a better job overall.