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Jenn M
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Jul 5, 2006, 2:09 PM

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So I got my 30D last week, and my 580 flash, along with the 24-70mm lens (so far - probably going to get the 70-200 zoom and the super wides sometime this week or next) and I've been having a ball - testing different settings and lighting situations, driving my dogs nuts, and soon I'm sure Brian will grow tired of me snapping his pic. Though he seems into it so far.

I just can't believe how easy it is. I can take a shot of just about anything, and as long as my exposure is correct, it looks like freakin' art. Well, compared to some other stuff I've seen. (If I do say so myself.) I love experimenting with the Av and Tv settings, but I can see how it's more difficult in the field when you don't have time to correct your errors. I know the time crunch and the "one shot opportunity" adds to the stress - but I feel I've been broken into that way of thinking by working with video for so long.

I've been reading stuff like crazy, tips, tricks, pitfalls to watch out for, and I do believe I will be prepared to shoot a gig soon. The only thing is, I'm impatient, as usual. Ideally, I'd love to get a cheap-o job (for field experience) ASAP, but that's difficult b/c most people plan in advance. Also, I don't want to damage the reputation we've spent so many years building w/ the video company by announcing too loudly that we are giving services away virtually for free. ALSO, I don't want to freak out any photographers that we are going to be working with this year. I want to believe they would be adult about it and not feel threatened, but I don't know...

Brian works with 2 women who are getting married soon, planning modest weddings - and they would be the perfect gigs to start with; however, they aren't getting married until '07, so that doesn't really help me right now.

I've thought about calling a few of my preferred photographer buddies and asking if they'd like a second shooter on any off days we have (Fridays or Sundays). I'd do it for free - the only thing I would ask is to be able to use my photos for demo purposes, with their name listed as the primary studio/photo credit, such as 'photos by Smith Studios, Jenn Moak assisting'. I think that's reasonable... what do you think? I'm trying to imagine it from their perspective. I worry about asking (of course I do) b/c I don't want them to get wierd on us, esp. if we have to work with them again soon. Do they really want to help someone that could essentially become their competition? I've heard many of them complain about that very thing - training assistants, only to have them leave on their own and undercut them.

Any other ideas? I really don't want to invest in the second body, etc. until we have a gig lined up.


Colvin ADTR
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Jul 5, 2006, 2:23 PM

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What you would be asking of a pro photog is the #1 gripe on their forums and I can't see them agreeing. If you aim to do it professionally, why are you worried about hurting the competition's feelings? They will know what you are doing sooner or later. I would make a big launch of it and offer a competition prize on the Knot or something to let brides know you are taking bookings now. The grown-up photogs will accept the new company, the rest - forget them!


Jenn M
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What you would be asking of a pro photog is the #1 gripe on their forums and I can't see them agreeing. If you aim to do it professionally, why are you worried about hurting the competition's feelings? They will know what you are doing sooner or later.



yeah - I figured as much. I'm naive in thinking I could be honest with them and they would be cool with it. I'm stupid like that. Tongue


Jenn M
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Jul 5, 2006, 2:35 PM

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Oh - and the thing that bothers me is I don't have any samples to show - not of weddings. I can't pull out the DSLR at a wedding and start shooting w/ the paid photographer there, and they never leave anymore. I brought it with me last week, thinking that when he left, I could play with it in the recep hall, since we were stuck there until the end (top package), waiting for the couple's grand exit. But of course, they stayed the entire time once they found out we were staying. I'm serious - they were all set to leave at 11:15, and the bride said something about us staying, so they stayed, even though they had already staged an exit with some sparklers, etc. Ugh - how much do they need!? She had to open her big mouth.

I'll bring it along this week again, but I'm sure the same thing will happen.


RustyB
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What you would be asking of a pro photog is the #1 gripe on their forums and I can't see them agreeing. If you aim to do it professionally, why are you worried about hurting the competition's feelings? They will know what you are doing sooner or later.



yeah - I figured as much. I'm naive in thinking I could be honest with them and they would be cool with it. I'm stupid like that. Tongue



Think about how digital cameras are affecting them, the same way digital video cameras affect videographers. Without ever having picked up a real film camera in your life, all that is "required" to become a wedding photographer, is that you spend a few hundred bucks on a DSLR. You just said it yourself...you bought a DSLR and are all ready to start booking photography gigs, an undercutting the pricing of the experienced photographers.

What credentials did most of us have when we started doing wedding video? We were the relative that owned the camcorder....that's it. That's why most wedding videos suck, and why the average price for one is probably like $899.

I'd guess you probably already have an eye for composition, and a complete understanding of what happens at a wedding. But I find that controlling exposure, DOF, lighting, etc, is VASTLY different on an SLR, than on a video camera. While shooting with manual 35mm cameras, the smartest thing I did was to finally buy a handheld light meter...this will quickly teach you a LOT about how ISO, shutter speed, aperture, and DOF all have in relation to each other. I learned more in a few months, than I had learned since playing with dad's Canon AE-1 when I was a kid.

I'm sure shooting weddings with an DSLR isn't brain surgery, but I'm finding shooting candid shots of people difficult. I've always liked taking pictures of "stuff", and not people. Lately I've been practicing with my new DSLR at family get-togethers, and I just can't capture the right moments...the pictures just don't do it for me. Now I can see how challenging it might be to do the journalistic thing at weddings, and get any interesting shots. I guess that's why they're taking 2000 shots per wedding.Laugh

As easy as it is to take great pics with a new DSLR in full auto right out of the box, I always think back to all the requests from brides I get to purchase frame grabs, because they were so unhappy with the pictures their "pro" photographer did for them. Shocked

I wouldn't try practicing at a wedding where you are the videog, even if the photog leaves early. What if the photog or DJ was shooting video at one of our weddings, in order to get their video business rolling? We'd be tearing them to pieces here on VU.

I finally started advertising photography services. I'm sure some of my photog buddies won't like it, but honestly I have nothing to lose...they're not bringing in business for me...so who cares what they think. You gotta look out for #1 first. Cool Besides, my competition will probably be the other cheap photographers, until I'm more confident in my stuff, and not the experienced photographers in a whole different market.

Good luck!




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Scott Brooks
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Jul 5, 2006, 4:41 PM

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I've thought about calling a few of my preferred photographer buddies and asking if they'd like a second shooter on any off days we have (Fridays or Sundays). I'd do it for free - the only thing I would ask is to be able to use my photos for demo purposes, with their name listed as the primary studio/photo credit, such as 'photos by Smith Studios, Jenn Moak assisting'. I think that's reasonable... what do you think? I'm trying to imagine it from their perspective. I worry about asking (of course I do) b/c I don't want them to get wierd on us, esp. if we have to work with them again soon. Do they really want to help someone that could essentially become their competition? I've heard many of them complain about that very thing - training assistants, only to have them leave on their own and undercut them.

Any other ideas? I really don't want to invest in the second body, etc. until we have a gig lined up.


Believe it or not that's exactly how I got started. I was scared as hell to ask, but though it was the best way to approach it.

I assisted him on a few weddings (knowing I was going on my own) and he let me use everything I shot for demo purposes. I've since helped him out a few times when he was in a jam. We have a good working relationship and refer brides back and forth.

Option #2 ... get one some of your friends or better yet, a former bride and groom that you developed a relationship with ... put them in a tux and gown and then hit the parks, pavement, church ... any place you can think of to get something on your website.

Developed a relationship with any of the clergy? Let them know that you're expanding your business and that you're looking to provide a couple of brides with a low cost photo opportunity ... but it must be within the next three months. There are always couples that can't afford a "real" pro that are looking for something better than their relative.

Option #3 ... I've never used it but have seen Craig's List mentioned MANY times. Post that you're looking to jump start your wedding photography business and you're offering your services for XXX number of dollars.

On option #2 or #3 ... make sure you still have a contract in place. (I'm sure you already know that.) Just because it's free or low budget doesn't mean you won't have issues ... get it writing.

And if you haven't joined yet ... seriously look into joining Digital Wedding Forum. It's the best $99 I've spent. (Actually, I think there are about three of us that I know of who are also members here.)

At DWF you're looking at thousands of pros with a wealth of experience and information. They also have a convnetion in the spring (Vegas of course), which I'm hoping to attend next year.

I just wish I had started at your age. Mad

Scott


BigDaddy C
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Jul 5, 2006, 4:42 PM

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It wasn't the bride Jenn, it was the camera! They could smell it and knew exactly what you were thinking. Laugh

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Dieps
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Jul 5, 2006, 9:23 PM

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Jenn - I've taken my 20d and 580 flash to a number of weddings and asked the photographer if he minded if I took a few shots for the dvd cover. I've never been turned down and generally take a few shots during the formals.

I leave my camera in the bag until the photog is setting up the formals then continue to shoot angles with the video camera while I have the 20d hanging on my shoulder. Around here, the photog will insist on no other pictures of a setup until he is done then he/she will allow others to take a few shots. That is when I shoot a few - trying a few different settings. I only take a few so I don't intimidate the photog then put the camera away.

This might give you a way to get a few shots at this weeks wedding. Probably not as many as you would like, but it's better than nothing and it's a start. After a few weddings, you will build confidence with your settings and, as a bonus, get some great shots for your dvd covers.

Hope your photogs are as cooperative as mine.

Jim


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videobear
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I finally started advertising photography services. I'm sure some of my photog buddies won't like it, but honestly I have nothing to lose...they're not bringing in business for me...so who cares what they think.



Another example of what I've been saying for several years now...we're moving into the age of the "digital imaging specialist", able to offer both stills and video.




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Shadow
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What you would be asking of a pro photog is the #1 gripe on their forums and I can't see them agreeing. If you aim to do it professionally, why are you worried about hurting the competition's feelings? They will know what you are doing sooner or later.



yeah - I figured as much. I'm naive in thinking I could be honest with them and they would be cool with it. I'm stupid like that. Tongue



Jenn, if you're lucky you can find a photographer who will be willing to be a mentor to you and share tips and experiences.
Maybe outside of your area you might find someone willing to help. You could offer to help as an assistant and be a second shooter.

Have fun with your camera!!!!!


videobear
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If you can't find someone to mentor you for free, you can certainly find someone to do it for a fee. Like some videographers, some photographers offer courses, seminars, or even one on one instruction.




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Toogy
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It's funny because there is a post on the front page of the DWF forums about a videographer asking a photographer to let them second shoot and learn with them.
The most popular reply so far is having the photographer tell the videographer to "sod off"

Wink

I agree with Sparky about the DWF being the best $99 I spent regarding wedding photography.

Also, plan on getting some adequate backup gear before you start offering your services. Would hate to have the 30D decide to misbehave during the day and have nothing to finish the day with.
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Scott Brooks
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It's funny because there is a post on the front page of the DWF forums about a videographer asking a photographer to let them second shoot and learn with them.
The most popular reply so far is having the photographer tell the videographer to "sod off"

Wink

I agree with Sparky about the DWF being the best $99 I spent regarding wedding photography.

Also, plan on getting some adequate backup gear before you start offering your services. Would hate to have the 30D decide to misbehave during the day and have nothing to finish the day with.


Jeff ... I read that as well on DWF.

The one thing (if I read it correctly) that differs is that the videographer has already accepted a wedding and as of right now ... owns nothing more than a point and shoot camera. I don't care who you are ... that's jumping the gun.

I'm still a bit amazed that a photographer let me second shoot with him. He doesn't live in my town, but we do attend the same bridal shows, so there is a cross over.

I would think in the larger cities they would have some type of camera club or something going on where more experience could be gained.

It's hard to get started in a service business where you mainly rely on word of mouth. Right now there's just not much "mouth." What I've started doing is telling anyone and everyone I see that I'm now shooting senior portraits and weddings ... that I'm just getting started so I have some enticing pricing available through the end of the year. You just never know who might be looking for a family portrait or someone that knows someone getting married.

No matter how you look at it ... it's tough.

Jeff ... "sod off" ... gotta love the Brits on that board.Sly

Scott B.


Shadow
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You're filled with good advice!


Scott Brooks
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You're filled with good advice!

My wife often says I'm full of it!!! Unsure (Typically delivered in a tone not associated with love.)


RustyB
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I finally started advertising photography services. I'm sure some of my photog buddies won't like it, but honestly I have nothing to lose...they're not bringing in business for me...so who cares what they think.



Another example of what I've been saying for several years now...we're moving into the age of the "digital imaging specialist", able to offer both stills and video.




Since wedding photography is almost 100% digital these days, and both photo and video are dumped on a computer for post-processing, it would seem a videographer would do himself good by learning to work with both.

Shooting good video, or taking good pictures, with a little color correcting or a little touch up on the negatives isn't enough anymore. Wedding photographers are heavily relying on PhotoShop to make their otherwise bland stuff interesting, and wedding videographers are using special effects to cover up their poorly shot stuff. Neither of which do I see in nice art/commercial photos, or Hollywood movies. But if you're going to put 75% of your time as a wedding video/photo into digitally altering your work, you might as well learn how to do both....many of the skillsets are the same, and you can at least double your opportunities for work.

I'm pretty limited as to what I know how to do with my NLE...I just use it as a glorified film splicer. And my PhotoShop skills are pretty much limited to cutting and pasting pics onto a home-made DVD cover, so finally getting a decent digital camera and seeing just how much PP's people are putting into their digital photos has left me with a lot to learn. So much for just dropping the film off at Walgreen's and putting the prints into a $5 photo album from Target.Laugh




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RustyB
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....The most popular reply so far is having the photographer tell the videographer to "sod off" ....


.....the videographer has already accepted a wedding and as of right now ... owns nothing more than a point and shoot camera. I don't care who you are ... that's jumping the gun. .....




Sounds familiar. How many times do we read the posts on VU, about someone that is looking to buy a VX2000 and start shooting wedding, and how much they should charge. If I say they should shoot a few freebies first, and then get 50 or so under their belt before even busting the $1000 mark, then I seem to be in the minority. The attitude seems to be...if you own the gear...your time is worth $200 an hour...no experience necessary. Then the customers loses, when they come back and post how they forgot to push the record button, their completely untested refurbished $59 iRiver mysteriously didn't record the vows, they placed their backup cam directly behind the photographer's back, or they post a clip and it makes you sea-sick watching it.

At least Jenn has the benefit of knowing how a wedding works, and generally what the shot list will be, with no surprises. So with that in mind, plus the obvious "sod off" attitude many of her photographer friends will have about her becoming an instant photographer by simply buying DSLR, I wouldn't bother finding some mentor to kiss up to or carry a flashpole for. I don't think you'd have much to learn. I think the most important thing would be to first learn how to properly use the camera, then start practicing as much as possible in a fast paced, poorly lit, candid, environment. I guess that just comes with experience. I have a basic grip on how to use a camera, but still find it very hard to take interesting pictures of people, and a wedding reception would seem rather daunting. I'd hate to come home with 2000 pictures that suck, and try to explain to the customer why I charged them $2000 for garbage, simply because I bought a DSLR off eBay.




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Neither of which (Photoshop retouching or video processing) do I see in nice art/commercial photos, or Hollywood movies.



What planet's images have YOU been looking at, Unc? Digital image processing is used in commercial images and in films all the time! (Of course, they're a bit more subtle, or at least better at it, than most of us). Wink




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Neither of which (Photoshop retouching or video processing) do I see in nice art/commercial photos, or Hollywood movies.



What planet's images have YOU been looking at, Unc? Digital image processing is used in commercial images and in films all the time! (Of course, they're a bit more subtle, or at least better at it, than most of us). Wink



Subtle is the key there..."enhancing"...not cheesing it up with special effects. Then again, I don't watch a lot of MTV. I guess wedding videos (and photos for that matter), especially the short forms, are more closely related to music videos than Hollywood films. Films are about content...video seems to be about instant gratification and making otherwise boring scenes attractive with special effects.

You took my quote out of context:Tongue

"Shooting good video, or taking good pictures, with a little color correcting or a little touch up on the negatives isn't enough anymore. Wedding photographers are heavily relying on PhotoShop to make their otherwise bland stuff interesting, and wedding videographers are using special effects to cover up their poorly shot stuff. Neither of which do I see in nice art/commercial photos, or Hollywood movies."

Then again, I couldn't imagine shooting a run-n-gun wedding with a real movie camera on 35 or 16mm, and not have it look like crap. I'm also amazed at when I come across a photog shooting an entire wedding or reception with a big nasty medium format camera...or even 35mm for that matter.




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Sounds familiar. How many times do we read the posts on VU, about someone that is looking to buy a VX2000 and start shooting wedding, and how much they should charge. If I say they should shoot a few freebies first, and then get 50 or so under their belt before even busting the $1000 mark, then I seem to be in the minority. The attitude seems to be...if you own the gear...your time is worth $200 an hour...no experience necessary. Then the customers loses, when they come back and post how they forgot to push the record button, their completely untested refurbished $59 iRiver mysteriously didn't record the vows, they placed their backup cam directly behind the photographer's back, or they post a clip and it makes you sea-sick watching it.

I agree with most of what you're saying although I think 50 under the belt before breaking a grand is a bit rough. It does boil down to how comfortable you are with yourself, your equipment and your ability to deliver a consistant product.


At least Jenn has the benefit of knowing how a wedding works, and generally what the shot list will be, with no surprises. So with that in mind, plus the obvious "sod off" attitude many of her photographer friends will have about her becoming an instant photographer by simply buying DSLR, I wouldn't bother finding some mentor to kiss up to or carry a flashpole for. I don't think you'd have much to learn. I think the most important thing would be to first learn how to properly use the camera, then start practicing as much as possible in a fast paced, poorly lit, candid, environment. I guess that just comes with experience. I have a basic grip on how to use a camera, but still find it very hard to take interesting pictures of people, and a wedding reception would seem rather daunting. I'd hate to come home with 2000 pictures that suck, and try to explain to the customer why I charged them $2000 for garbage, simply because I bought a DSLR off eBay.

I agree about the experience factor. When I decided to start photographing weddings last year I at least had some degree of knowledge about framing the shots, aperture, exposure, shutter speed, and ISO settings. (It wasn't the first time I had picked up a camera, but still had a lot to learn.)

I also had the benefit of years of wedding experiences ... the flow of the day, the interaction with couples and their parents, dealing with the clergy ... not to mention the drunk wedding guests. Unsure

I never felt like I walked into a totally new arena ... although in reality that's exactly what I did.

I didn't suck up to anyone, never held a flash pole, never carried someone's bags for them, didn't drive them to and from the wedding. I simply was allowed to shoot in any way I wanted, with the exception of a few shots. He wanted me to shoot from the back of the aisle during the processional. (Didn't find that unreasonable.) He also already had an assistant that shot with him, so there was no reason to let me go with him.

Travelling to and from the weddings we had the opportunity to discuss the business side of photography. This is one area that we were worlds apart.

I do not find photography to be easier. Ok, I lied ... I do, but not technically or artistically. I find it to be less demanding of me from a physical aspect. I have one roller bag that carries all lenses, two flash, three bodies and a boat-load of batteries. I also take along one monopod.

I'm not shooting 4 minutes of a first dance with one camera on a tripod and then myself shooting a second camera, hand-held and going for various angles ... all the time concerned about the audio as well. It's just easier for me to handle than video.

And while I'm at it ... I find editing to go much quicker as well.

It took me 15 years and I don't know how many weddings to hit the $3000 mark in video ... both of them being my last two weddings ... and I beat myself to death with those two. It should have been much more.

This is my first year in photography and my first $3000 wedding is in two weeks. They know this is my first year. They know that all the photos they've seen were taken for another studio, yet they hired me anyway. It must have been my sparkling personality and boyish charm. Mad

Most importantly though through all of this ... I really look forward to my Saturday weddings. I have three weddings in a row and I can't wait for the next one. All three will be completely different ... one is just a punch and cake reception, one is a large church wedding with a good sized bridal party and a great reception planned and the third will be outside at the arboretum at the University of Illionois. We'll also be doing pre-ceremony shots around the campus.

I'm ready to go!

Scott



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Do you shoot the formals at the church with a monopod as well? I've seen a couple photogs do that, but am not sure I'd be that brave. I guess it's a matter of practice to quicky level the camera. It's not like video, where you'd have to try to keep it steady non-stop for a long period...I've never seen a videog pull that off. Laugh But it would be tempting to not carry a tripod.

I have a lightweight tripod and a monopod for taking pictures, and with all of the hi-power flash pack batteries, camera batteries, in my new digital kit, the bag is wildly heavy with just one lightweight body and two lenses! But it's still nothing compared to how much junk I carry to make cheap wedding videos. Then again, you see some of the old-school photogs that carry their whole studio with them, setup huge lighting kits for the formals, and have rolling light stands/umbrellas at the reception.Laugh



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.....I do not find photography to be easier. Ok, I lied ... I do, but not technically or artistically. I find it to be less demanding of me from a physical aspect. I have one roller bag that carries all lenses, two flash, three bodies and a boat-load of batteries. I also take along one monopod. .....





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Scott Brooks
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Jul 6, 2006, 8:24 PM

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Do you shoot the formals at the church with a monopod as well? I've seen a couple photogs do that, but am not sure I'd be that brave. I guess it's a matter of practice to quicky level the camera. It's not like video, where you'd have to try to keep it steady non-stop for a long period...I've never seen a videog pull that off. Laugh But it would be tempting to not carry a tripod.

I have a lightweight tripod and a monopod for taking pictures, and with all of the hi-power flash pack batteries, camera batteries, in my new digital kit, the bag is wildly heavy with just one lightweight body and two lenses! But it's still nothing compared to how much junk I carry to make cheap wedding videos. Then again, you see some of the old-school photogs that carry their whole studio with them, setup huge lighting kits for the formals, and have rolling light stands/umbrellas at the reception.Laugh



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.....I do not find photography to be easier. Ok, I lied ... I do, but not technically or artistically. I find it to be less demanding of me from a physical aspect. I have one roller bag that carries all lenses, two flash, three bodies and a boat-load of batteries. I also take along one monopod. .....


The monopod is strictly for my daughter's use right now ... not mine. She wanted to assist me and since I have three cameras I felt like it couldn't hurt let her shoot away. The third camera is a Digital Rebel (the first series, not second) and I put a Tamron 28-75 on it along with a flash. She uses that in conjuction with the monopod and gets very respectable shots from the back. (No flash during the ceremony.)

She's been getting good enough shots for me throughout the day that next year I'm looking to purchase another camera. The Rebel is my brothers and serves fine for a backup, but there have been a few shots that I think could have been even better had she been using one of my 20Ds.

BTW ... I've taught her how and when to change iso, put her on Program and use bounce flash.


DISCLAIMER ... at NO time is the client led to believe that there are two photographers. I specifically point out to the couple that my daughter is there to watch my equipment and help me manage the formals ... That she will be shooting when she has time and may or may not capture some useable photos, but if someone has a specific shot they want ... they need to see ME. (And I'll be darned if she didn't get the best candid shot of the day at our first wedding this year.)

I have a Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS, so the image stabalization works pretty good for me during the service. I move around as much as the clergy will allow without encroaching on the altar area or making a scene. I don't move as much as others I've seen. No tripod or monopod for me. If I did end up in a REALLY dark church then I would probably go ahead and use the monopod.

Formals: I have a Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS. That's my main camera for formals and I really like it. I just picked it up before last week's wedding. When we move outside for formals I'll more than likely switch to the 70-200 when possible.

I'm not taking umbrellas and studio lights with me at all. As a matter of fact I have a "suggested" list of formals ... only about 9 poses ... and it states on the sheet that I do not use studio lighting or a backdrop. I just want to keep it light and fun ... for me AND them.

The brides around here aren't as progressive as some that I would like to work for. The area is still pretty traditional and most still want the traditional family poses. On the other hand they all really like the looks of a lay-flat type of album or flush mounted as opposed to the matted/insert type albums their parents have.

It's a slow progression.

Sorry Jenn ... I think we've drifted off topic here. Unsure



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Jul 7, 2006, 10:42 AM

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Take the still camera to all of your weddings first... you are hired to produce a video, not drive a video camera. The still images are now one of the tools you use to get images for the video. Even if I am not hired to do photography, I have the still images to fill gaps in time when the other cameras are obstructed. Also, they offer an emotional pause in the video. I also suggest that you clarify to B&G +photographers that you are not selling those images directly (just to keep the local photogs from black-listing you). You can get many sample shots to show prospects doing that.

Once you have some samples, you need to develop you objective as a photographer. Are you selling albums, prints, or image rights??? This impacts what you need to build for demos.

I am personally moving more towards album production (with clients ordering images online by themselves using a service). The more they are seen, the more they are in demand it seems. I am probably going to be 3/4 photo and 1/4 video next year... with over double this year's profitability.

Jeko

Sony VX2100's, iRivers, M-audio 24/96, Canon 5Ds/20Ds (and too much glass), Vegas6, PhotoShop CS3, Lightroom, etc.


Jenn M
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Jul 7, 2006, 1:51 PM

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Also, plan on getting some adequate backup gear before you start offering your services. Would hate to have the 30D decide to misbehave during the day and have nothing to finish the day with.



Absolutely - good advice. But I to intend to wait until we actually have a job to pay for all this fancy-smancy stuff. Smile


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Jul 7, 2006, 2:01 PM

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Which head did you go with? I got the Bogen 488 Rc4 Ball head, but I really like the pistol grip - however, I question the load capacity b/c I generally plan to shoot much of the ceremony from the rear of the church, relying on zooms, and that tele lens is pretty heavy.

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