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Something that confuses me about exposure

 

 


szerangue
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Apr 20, 2007, 12:43 AM

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I am using the Canon 30D.. I always hear about using the cameras meter to expose the subject. Now I have an idea about this and I understand that camera will meter itself in program mode, but if I am shooting in manual mode, how do I use the cameras light meter to get an exposure?
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RustyB
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Apr 20, 2007, 1:18 AM

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Doesn't it show you the meter in the viewfinder and LCD?




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szerangue
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Apr 20, 2007, 1:27 AM

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Yes, it has a meter and I can adjust it to center by manipulating my shutter and aperature. But sometimes the only way to adjust for the ambient light is to lower the shutter to an extent that I would need a tripod.
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Apr 20, 2007, 1:38 AM

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Bump the ISO up. Use a flash. Tongue Not much else you can do!




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szerangue
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Apr 20, 2007, 2:02 AM

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I understand that, but the meter will not give you a new reading once you install the flash or adjust your ISO.
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RustyB
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Apr 20, 2007, 2:13 AM

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I understand that, but the meter will not give you a new reading once you install the flash or adjust your ISO.



Ah, I see what you mean. While it should compensate for ISO (I would hope), shooting in manual with the flash in manual as well is something I'm still learning. Of course, your flash could just be left in TTL or in auto using it's own meter, but I think it's probably better to learn to conrol it yourself.

I'm thinking of getting a flash meter, but they ain't cheap. And I can't see actually using one at a wedding. The only guy I ever say using one at a wedding, was a professional/commercial photog who was shooting the wedding as a favor. He metered the ceremony location days before the wedding, drew a map of it, and recorded his readings to plan for the wedding day. Laugh

Using my flash off-camera with the $20 wireless, with everything in manual, is hit or miss. I want one of these...but $189 is an aweful lot just for taking pictures of your cats....

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Brackish
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Apr 20, 2007, 2:37 AM

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I started poking around on your light meter link and
found B&H has only one color temperature meter ... but
the price is $1200!

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videochicke
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Apr 20, 2007, 8:58 AM

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First, the camera has 3 metering modes. Partial, center weighted and full frame. It also has more than one auto focus mode. In one mode, when you press the shutter down halfway, focus and exposure is locked as long as you hold the shutter down. In the other two, the focus and exposure will change as you move the camera.

The camera's meter wants everything to be 18% gray. So when you shoot say a close up of the bride's gown, it will be underexposed when the needle is dead center. A black object will cause an over exposure. So if no flash is being used, you have to adjust the exposure manually up or down a bit to compensate for whet you are seeing. If a flash is being used, there is control even in the ettl. You can stop the flash up or down in 1/3 increments.

If you Google the "zone system photography" , you will find many articles on how to adjust the exposure. This system was made famous by Ansel Adams.

In a VERY condensed nutshell, there are nine zones. Zone I is complete black. Zone IX is total white. 18% gray--your gray card--is zone v. Each zone kind of represents one stop. Your camera meter assumes everything is zone 5. But average caucasian skin is zone VI. So if you metered the face, you need to increase exposure by one stop to expose it correctly. You can do this in the camera if no flash is used or with the flash. Snow is full shade is zone VIII. Need to open things up by 3 stops over what the meter is telling you if you want the snow exposed correctly.

It explains why when you take a picture of the bride, her face is often dark and when you take the groom, his face is often too light. The camera sees what they are wearing and factors it into the whole 18% gray thing.

Websites will explain the zone system better than I ever could. But once it clicks, it makes a whole lot of sense.
Julie


szerangue
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Apr 20, 2007, 9:49 AM

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Thanks, that is the best explanation I've heard yet... I will check the zone information out.
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Scott Brooks
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Apr 20, 2007, 3:25 PM

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I am using the Canon 30D.. I always hear about using the cameras meter to expose the subject. Now I have an idea about this and I understand that camera will meter itself in program mode, but if I am shooting in manual mode, how do I use the cameras light meter to get an exposure?


Set your iso where you need it then decide what kind of dof you need. If you find yourself going with a slow shutter then you either need to raise your iso setting or change your aperture, which will give you a more shallow dof.

And for the record ... you can shoot a wedding at iso 3200. I did it as an experiment when tagging along with someone for that very purpose. I did use Neat Image to clean it up a little, but the photos were plenty acceptable.


Brackish
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Apr 20, 2007, 10:50 PM

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And for the record ... you can shoot a wedding at iso 3200. I did it as an experiment ...


Hi, Sparky.

You shot the entire formals, ceremony, and reception at 3200?

What camera did you use for this experiment?






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Scott Brooks
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Apr 21, 2007, 1:28 AM

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And for the record ... you can shoot a wedding at iso 3200. I did it as an experiment ...


Hi, Sparky.

You shot the entire formals, ceremony, and reception at 3200?

What camera did you use for this experiment?


No ... I shot the ceremony only at this setting (no flash). It was with a 20D and Canon 70-200 IS at f/2.8. I posted a couple of the shots on this board ... probably back in November.


Brackish
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Apr 21, 2007, 1:45 AM

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No ... I shot the ceremony only at this setting (no flash). It was with a 20D and Canon 70-200 IS at f/2.8. I posted a couple of the shots on this board ... probably back in November.


I remember that ... a balcony shot showing the bride's face, shot
at 200mm.






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Jenn M
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Apr 21, 2007, 10:51 AM

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HI Sparky!

I shot for another company last week and for the ceremony, I shot high ISOs. As a favor, we came home and converted the raw images to jpegs for them AND Brian applied noise reduction since some of the ceremony images were quite noisy.

When I delivered the DVDs w/ the images (both RAW and jpeg) I explained what I did and the dude (who is a videographer, but started this combo company w/ multiple services) he didn't know what I meant by noise reduction. Thought that was kind of funny.

Anywhoo, it's amazing the difference that software can make. Now I'm glad we ran the action b/c he might have thought we screwed up!


Jenn M
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Apr 21, 2007, 10:57 AM

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Shane,

Julie's explanation is fantastic. I'm thrilled I actually knew what she was talking about, and that's only b/c I've been reading the following book:

http://www.amazon.com/...177164957&sr=8-2

I also just finished a book on lighting which helped as well.

Good luck!