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Suggestions for my first piece of glass

 

 


Bill Kinkle
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Mar 9, 2006, 10:46 PM

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I just bought my first DSLR, a used 10d, and am looking for suggestions for my first lens. I am new to photography, but have a genuine interest in quality and am pretty lost in terms of judging lenses. Any help would be appreicated.

TIA.


Scott Brooks
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Mar 10, 2006, 3:29 AM

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I purchased a 10D a few years ago and the first lens I purchased was the Canon 24-70. What a heavy son of a gun. I then decided for some silly reason not to follow through with photography and sold them both.

Last year I went with a couple of 20Ds and instead of going back with the Canon I went with a cheaper lens ... Tamron 28-75 2.4. I haven't been disappointed. It has decent range, will focus fairly quickly and has provided some sharp images. It basically serves as my all purpose lens for right now.

I also have a Sigma 70-200 f/2.4 ... but if I had to do it over I might have sprung for the Canon IS version. But then that would have cost me more than the camera. Pirate

I'm considering picking up one more lens this year but haven't decided which one ... maybe the Canon 50mm f/1.4 or possibly the Canon 85mm f/1.4? Both would be excellent additions.

The one thing I don't want to do is put myself in a position where I have to feel that to be a pro I have to own 6 or 8 different lens. I swear I'm going to keep this simple and profitable and not let it get out of hand like it did with video.


WLR
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Mar 10, 2006, 6:58 PM

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I have a 20D and by far, the most useful lens for me that I use 98% of the time has been the Canon 17-85. I have the 28-135 and hardly ever use it. Also have the 18-55 that came with camera. I keep it as a backup lens.


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Caterpillar
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Mar 11, 2006, 9:10 PM

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I just bought my first DSLR, a used 10d, and am looking for suggestions for my first lens. I am new to photography, but have a genuine interest in quality and am pretty lost in terms of judging lenses. Any help would be appreicated.

TIA.


Bill,

If you want to save money, but get L-class IQ, go for the tamron Dis. I have both the 17-35 f2.8-4 Di, and the 28-75 f2.8 Di. Both are on par with their 3-4x expensive Canon counterparts. They will not set you back U$2,500, but only about U$850 for the two. Just make sure you test them at the store as there are sample variations. But that is true even for Canon. But if you get a sharp one, they are really very good! I know because these have been my workhorses for 2 years. Smile

Unfortunately, I will likely not be using these lenses too much now as I have just gotten myself the 24-105L and ef-s 10-22 combo. Cost me about U$1,900 to replace the tamrons. I will sell my 28-75 (I really like that lens but it will have less use now), but will keep the 17-35 for future use and as a backup.

For weddings, the 24-105L and 10-22 are perfect. The 24-105 is slow at f4 but it has IS and it really works and helps a lot. Consider a shot with f2.8 at 1/15, that would be 1/8 at f4. But if in practice, you'd likely get the shot without blurring caused by handshake with the 1/8 at f4 with IS than the 1/15 at f2.8.This is why I switched.

Also, lens swapping is less because I have 24mm at the wide and 105mm at the long end. It can be frustrating at times that 28mm is not wide enough or 75mm is not long enough. And the 35mm transition point of the 17-35 is kind of out of place. With the 10-22, the 22mm is a nice boundary for the 1.6x cropper. 35mm isn't. AT the 28-75 side, 28mm is a strange boundary because, there are many times you just want to take one or three shots at 24 or 20mm, then be back at the normal 28-75 range. So you go to a lens swap just to get that one or 2 17mm shot or 24mm shot. With the 24-105L and 10-22 combon. You still have 24mm to save you. And maybe if you just step back a bit, or lean back a bit, you can squeeze in a 20mm equivalent. That's hard to do on a 28-75 and 17-35 combo. I know, I have been using this for 2 years! Tongue

In spite of all these, I still heartily recommend these 2 tamrons, especially if you are on a budget. Great price, but great optics. Smile


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Jeko
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Mar 12, 2006, 12:53 AM

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Sorry, but need to ask something else first:
What are YOU shooting with "it"?....

Jeko

Sony VX2100's, iRivers, M-audio 24/96, Canon 5Ds/20Ds (and too much glass), Vegas6, PhotoShop CS3, Lightroom, etc.


Bill Kinkle
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Mar 12, 2006, 2:37 AM

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Thanks for the advice. Thats a lot to digest, I appreciate it.


Bill Kinkle
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Mar 12, 2006, 2:38 AM

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Thats a good question Jeko. For now general photography. I know very little about photography and thought the camera would be a great starting point for me. I've always had an interest and desire so I figured I would jump in and get my feet wet. Now I just need to get some resources and learn how to use it.


Jeko
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Mar 12, 2006, 8:24 AM

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For general shooting of family at park and around the house, I find a 24-70mm resides on my base the most. At weddings however, I use a wider 16-35mm and telephoto 70-200mm.

Lenses can be very expensive, and the brand and lens speed (how low can the aperture go, which is proportional to shutter speed) is up to you, your budget, etc. Most professional photographers acknowledge that the bases come & go, while their lenses are much longer living. I took my base and went to Atlanta, taking sample shoots with a variety of lenses and trying to gauge which would serve best for candle-lit churches.

I selected a good, fast (f 1/2.8) wide-angle 16-35mm which lets me be closer to the subject(s) and allows me to get more done without a significant light kit. Also imperative for smaller churches. It is on my base as I walk about getting full body shots.

I also selected a fast 70-200mm (f 1/2.8, but non-IS) which I mount on a mono-pod during ceremony to get close-up shots during vows. I also like to use it to get in close for emotions wihout distracting... ex during first dance or whenever. I am now wishing/wanting the IS version for more candid use without the mono-pod.

Jeko

Sony VX2100's, iRivers, M-audio 24/96, Canon 5Ds/20Ds (and too much glass), Vegas6, PhotoShop CS3, Lightroom, etc.


GmElliott
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Mar 20, 2006, 11:23 AM

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Bill I LOVE my 24-70 2.8L however: 1) It's ex$pensive and 2) It might be a bit too long a the short end of the 1.6x crop of the 10D. The 24-70 has become even MORE usefull now that I went full frame with the 5D.

A good place to start is www.fredmiranda.com and check their "review" section out. I make all my glass purchases based on the cumulative reviews.








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Lola Mitchell
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Apr 9, 2006, 1:31 PM

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I second a little trip over to Fred Miranda's site, I usually check out their reviews before I buy anything. For general shooting, and learning, I'd go with what usually ships with Canons cameras, which is just their kit 18-55mm lens. Not fast mind you, but if you're just getting started, it's going to be just fine to give you a feel for shooting with a DSLR.

I wish I could endorse Tamron over Canons L-glass, but I just can't. You don't really need L glass if you're just starting anyway. But I hate Tamron with a passion, though I fully admit that I haven't tried any of their lenses in years, so maybe they've improved their quality. They just seemed like toys and were in no way comparable to Canons L series.
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abracadabra
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Apr 10, 2006, 10:35 PM

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Digital cameras require the best glass you can afford. I'd suggest the Canon 2.8 16-35.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...e=categoryNavigation

I have 3 20d's One with a Canon 10-22 the other with a 24-70 and the other with an IS 70-200 All work well. In retrospec, I'd have purchased the 16-35 and the 70-200 for wedding use. Good luck!


Waldemar
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May 7, 2006, 8:45 PM

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Lens quality is paramount. A simple statement which only gets more muddy as you try and figure out what is best for you.

The best zoom lens I ever owned was a vivitar series 1 28-105 f2.8 made in the 1980's. The lens was so good the viewfinder of my 1970's vintage Pantax camera had at least a two stop gain in brightness. The lens was heavy as hell. I honestly thought I needed a back brace if a shoot lasted more than a couple hours. It produced incredible 35mm photographs. I swear it was specifically designed for the center-weighted averaging meter built into my old camera.

Well, you are not going to find that situation today, which makes the choice so much more problematic. So think about what you really want to do with your camera. If the camera is a Nikon or Canon you will have a wide variety of expensive options available to you...all of which are very likely good. If you own an Olympus, Pentax, Sigma, or some other brand of camera, your options are going to be much more what the mfg. thinks is "mainstream marketable". Good quality, but neither specific purpose nor flexible purpose. I don't exactly know why, but the lightweights in the camera mfg are being very cautious. Too cautious, I feel. After ten years of waiting i finally gave up on Pentax, threw $3000 worth of lenses into the trash and purchased a quality digital camera of another brand.

In the digital camera world, it is my opinion there is no quality investment, unless you buy Hasselblad, whose newest cameras can still use lenses made 60 years ago (and vice versa). Buy what makes sense, and make it last as long as your can.
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