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Bauerjoe
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Jul 14, 2007, 10:27 AM

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We've been getting requests "do you do photography" for a long time, and with the videography market in MI gioing to he!! in a handbasket, I figure maybe it's time to take the plunge> So... if you were starting out in photography, what would the minimum requirements be for equipment. Also, if you have ideas on where to go for shooting do's and don't's, I'd appreciate any help you could offer.

Thanks,

Joe
Joe Bauer

Yesterdays Memories Films
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RustyB
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Jul 14, 2007, 11:31 AM

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There goes another one, lost to the Univeristy's Special Education forum for video rejects. The short bus will be around to pick you up at 7:00am.Laugh


J/K. Good luck!





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rodovideo
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Jul 14, 2007, 4:59 PM

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Get an in-expensive DSLR first and start playing with it..... White balance, shutter speed, aperture, film speed...


Do's
  • take it with you where ever you go...
  • get a few extra flash cards
  • get an extra battery
  • get a flash
  • get a lens pen
  • post your work on a photography forum for critiquing
  • join a local photography group/club
  • get a backup camera if you are going to shoot "professionally"


Don'ts
  • commit to shooting a wedding until you know your way around your camera
  • think that photography is "easier" then video...
  • become "one of those type of photogs" that frequently make videographers rant...
  • overexpose.... you can't recover blownout shots...
  • format your flash cards in your PC (only use your camera to format your cards)


These are just some quickie ideas that were running in my head.
You can get a lot of info online (of course) so google and check out some of the photography forums & galleries.

Mike R.


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sample images from RODO PHOTO

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(This post was edited by rodovideo on Jul 15, 2007, 12:05 AM)


Bauerjoe
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Jul 14, 2007, 5:49 PM

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Thanks for your help. Actually, I'm not personally going to be doing the shooting. My daughter has had an SLR for a few years and has taken a few photo classes. She's now graduated with a teaching degree in music, which in Michigan right now you can use for TP. We'll probably shoot free for another local photographer for a little while to get used to it. As far as photo forums go, I'm already a member of Photoshop Users. Can you name a few others?

I'd also appreciate a short list of must have equipment for a wedding photgrapher. Recommendations on lenses and flashes, etc.

Joe
Joe Bauer

Yesterdays Memories Films
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Brackish
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Jul 15, 2007, 2:48 AM

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I'd also appreciate a short list of must have equipment for a wedding photgrapher. Recommendations on lenses and flashes, etc.


Hi, Joe. Welcome to this side.

I need to pick up a flash and have been considering the
Sunpak 622 Super Pro.

"Built like a tank"

-happy 622 user-

Rusty uses the small Sunpak 383, which seems to be a good value.

You really don't have to stick with the same brand

of flash as what your camera is - some of the 3rd party ones

do just fine. I know with Canon, I've even heard that

some of the 3rd party ones are better than the Canon flashes,

giving more consistent exposure.

Do you know what brand of camera system you'll be going

with yet?




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DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:01 AM

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I've even heard that some of the 3rd party ones are better than the Canon flashes,


Probably true Brack, Canon flash system sucks. However Nikon's 'Creative Lighting System' is the exact opposite. Absolutely second to none imo, and you can only get access to the system with Nikon strobes of course.

Nikon owners: you'd be nuts to go with a 3rd party flash if your body supports the CLS. Go with the SB-800 (heck, go with a few of themSmile), the finest flash system ever invented.


DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:06 AM

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I'd also appreciate a short list of must have equipment for a wedding photgrapher. Recommendations on lenses and flashes, etc.



Best investment you can make is fast lenses (i.e. <= f2). When the officient says, 'you can't use flash in my church' you'll appreciate the extra couple of stops. I shot one today that didn't allow flash, but at ASA400 and f1.4 I could still expose properly without it!


Brackish
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:11 AM

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I shot one today that didn't allow flash ...


Did you get on well with the videog? Sly


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DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:14 AM

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I still haven't worked with one.


Brackish
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Jul 15, 2007, 4:46 AM

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We'll probably shoot free for another local photographer for a little while to get used to it.


I'm surprised the local photog would be willing to train his
competition.


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Brackish
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Jul 15, 2007, 4:55 AM

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Nikon owners: you'd be nuts to go with a 3rd party flash if your body supports the CLS. Go with the SB-800 (heck, go with a few of themSmile), the finest flash system ever invented.


You know, Darren ... when I was looking around at which "system"
to go with - Canon, Nikon, Olympus, etc. - the excellent reputation of the
Nikon flash system was one of the biggest pulls towards going
with Nikon. From the talk I hear ... if you're going with Nikon
(or Fuji), the SB800 had best be on the top of your list for consideration.


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Brackish
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Jul 15, 2007, 7:36 AM

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I still haven't worked with one.


Talk about a string of bad luck for you. You know, it's been
mentioned here that 30% of weddings have a pro videog.
Maybe you're just working the real low end that
can't afford it? Sly


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Bauerjoe
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Jul 15, 2007, 9:05 AM

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Hi Brack,

I think I'll go with Canon. That seems to be the brand that most of the wedding photogs around here are using. One guy had a 'battery pack' that fastens to the bottom of the camera. He said it easily powers the camera all day with no changes. Anyone know about this?

Also, I like the fast lens idea. Is there a 'fast lens' available for Canon cameras?

Thanks,
Joe
Joe Bauer

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artistic cinematography


DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 12:11 PM

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lol...well I did have a potluck wedding last week. No kidding.

(is the term 'potluck' used in the States? Where guests supply the food for the party?)


RustyB
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Jul 15, 2007, 1:14 PM

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....I think I'll go with Canon. That seems to be the brand that most of the wedding photogs around here are using.....




I think it's that reasoning as to why that fact is true. Laugh

If I were choosing between Canon & Nikon for weddings, I think I like the Nikon images I've seen so far better. Then again, I have an Olympus, so I obviously MUST say that I like Olympus better than Canon and Nikon to be a true fanboy. Laugh But without some really expensive fast lenses, my Olympus FourThirds System cameras get really noisy when you turn up the ISO, so a larger sensor camera would probably be more practical for weddings.

Like Darren says, get some good, fast, primes. I used to think digital photos sucked compared to film, until I finally put a nice prime on the front of my DSLR, instead of the typical zooms that most people seem to use on them, and was blown away. Most of my 35mm lenses were primes, so that's what I was used to seeing. So using them with digital really does make a difference!





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Bauerjoe
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:04 PM

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So you don't use zoom lenses? What collection of prime lenses would be necessary for a wedding photog?

I think the knock I had read about Nikon in PhotoShop Users was that their lenses weren't very good...you'd have to buy 3rd party lenses. Is that correct?

Joe
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RustyB
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Jul 15, 2007, 3:56 PM

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...I think the knock I had read about Nikon in PhotoShop Users was that their lenses weren't very good...you'd have to buy 3rd party lenses. Is that correct?

Joe




I take it there's a bunch of Canon users on that forum? Laugh

I think with lenses, like anything, you get what you pay for. With zooms, you get many lenses in one, which is very practical and cost effective.

With all of my cheap eBay 35mm gear, I can look at my prints and not tell if it was shot with a Mamiya, Olympus, Samigon, Pentax, Phoenix, or whatever brand of prime. But I can usually tell if I used one of the couple of cheap zooms I have. I just don't have an eye for judging lenses or a the patience to argue about lens specs or internet brand fanboy stuff. I'm just an amateur that takes pictures and hopes they look cool when I see them! Cool

I've had a few zooms now for my Olympus e-500 digital SLR, standard and high quality, but it wasn't until I finally got a prime that I finally got an image that looked like those shot with my 35mm cams.

If I were a wedding photog, you'd obviously want to carry an extra body for backup, so why not just get a couple of good primes to cover most of the day, plus an extra telephoto lens to use during the ceremony? Then just carry both bodies, instead of one sitting in the bag doing nothing. I see wedding photogs carrying two bodies on them sometimes, and assume they're doing something like this. Versus the typical "PJ" that just carries a 20D and one of those big gray lenses, that you see 95% of digital photogs using these days. (Canon 70-200 f2.8?)

I think the first thing you gotta do, is practice as much as possible, which will help you to waste less money. The more you learn, the more you will re-evaluate your needs, and figure out what you really need. Basing your purchases on internet forums, with posts from a huge array of different personal tastes, can clean out your bank account before finding what really suits YOU. I used to have a garage full of Jeep parts. Now I have boxes full of video and still camera junk, and a lot of seller's fees on eBay. Laugh





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DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 4:29 PM

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I think it's that reasoning as to why that fact is true. Laugh

LaughLaugh


DarrenS
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Jul 15, 2007, 4:50 PM

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I had read about Nikon in PhotoShop Users was that their lenses weren't very good


LMAO! You're listening to a bunch of fools, obviously. Visit any laboratory and count how many Canon microscopes there are. Then count the Nikkors.

Nikon has been making glass *decades* longer than Canon. In fact Nikon made Canon's lenses for them right up until the late 40's. All Canon cameras before the 50's came with Nikkor glass mounted.

Another case of the blind leading the blind. Carry-on, and good luck.

D

P.S. I draw correlation between amature Canon fans and Mac fans. They both think they know everything about the tools of the trade, yet they know virtually nothing about the tools of the trade. Relatively speaking, of course.


Brackish
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Jul 16, 2007, 4:15 AM

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Hi Brack,

One guy had a 'battery pack' that fastens to the bottom of the camera. He said it easily powers the camera all day with no changes. Anyone know about this?


Yeah, the battery pack holds a couple batteries. Myself, I have chosen
not to go with that battery pack, or "battery grip" as it's sometimes called.
I just carry a spare battery. About 2/3 of the way through the day when I
notice that my battery is getting low, I put in the fresh battery.
Takes about 10 seconds. I don't want the extra weight that
the battery grip gives you.


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Brackish
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Jul 16, 2007, 7:15 AM

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I think the knock I had read about Nikon in PhotoShop Users was that their lenses weren't very good.


I've never heard any talk about Nikon lenses not being any good.
They're as good or better than any other lenses.


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Bauerjoe
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Jul 16, 2007, 9:23 AM

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OK, so I guess I'm back to not sure which camera I should go with. Thanks for the advice guys....I think Unimpressed

Joe
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Brackish
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Jul 16, 2007, 9:40 AM

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Well, you say your daughter has a camera already. What
kind is it? What lens does she have? Does she
have any other equipment now?


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Postal Boy
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Jul 16, 2007, 9:46 AM

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Also, when it gets right down to it, the Nikon or Canon lenses (higher end) will BOTH give you more quality than you can print pretty much. One suggestion that was made here a while back is to get both of them in your hands and see which one "fits" you best. Go down to a camera shop and hold one, play with the menus, "click" it a few times, and see if it fits the hand. Sure you can get used to any camera, but the initial fit may be important on the "comfort" level. Both brands (and a few others not mentioned) will allow you to capture very good images.

-Postal


Brackish
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Like you said, Postal, most all the brands will work out okay.

The reason I asked what equipment he's got now is
that, if he (or his daughter) already has money invested
in a particular system, might as well stay with that
and build from there. What they've got now could be
backup, perhaps. But best to have interchangeable lenses
between the two cams. As I recall, he said his daughter
already has a DSLR so that might make it easier
right there to decide what system to go with.


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