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photographing AND videographing at wedding?

 

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KevinShaw
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Aug 4, 2005, 12:33 AM

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Forgive me if this is a silly question, but what is AVP?


videobear
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Aug 4, 2005, 10:08 AM

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The talking down of photographers like what I read in these fora is unheard of. We do have our share of problems with them, but I assure you that it is not often.



Good point, Caterpillar. We've had some discussions here that brought up the fact that sometimes there are videographers who are an annoyance to the stills photographers, just as some photographers are an annoyance to us video types.

What it boils down to is that there are some inconsiderate people out there. Doesn't matter if they're carrying a camera or a camcorder.




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Doug Graham
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KevinShaw
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Aug 4, 2005, 12:50 PM

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We've had some discussions here that brought up the fact that sometimes there are videographers who are an annoyance to the stills photographers, just as some photographers are an annoyance to us video types.

Agreed, and I do hope the two industries continue to improve their ability to work together effectively even when there's no formal arrangement between companies hired to do these tasks. But I do see a difference for videographers in that our cameras are always rolling and we can't readily move them to shoot around someone who gets in our view, while photographers have much more freedom to shoot around us with little or no evidence in their end product that we were even there. So my question is, given that photographers have more flexibility and are more likely to be in our shots than vice-versa, how can we impress on them what we would like them to do to minimize their impact on the video? Especially the ones who don't seem to have grasped that issue yet, or don't seem to care?


Caterpillar
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Aug 4, 2005, 9:20 PM

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The talking down of photographers like what I read in these fora is unheard of. We do have our share of problems with them, but I assure you that it is not often.



Good point, Caterpillar. We've had some discussions here that brought up the fact that sometimes there are videographers who are an annoyance to the stills photographers, just as some photographers are an annoyance to us video types.

What it boils down to is that there are some inconsiderate people out there. Doesn't matter if they're carrying a camera or a camcorder.

The reason why I went into video is that many of the videographers I have worked with don't match our style of shooting and philosophy. Even the technical aspects are done differently and affect our stills. Many don't balance their light, don't control the intensity of the light or bounce or soften their light. Many shoot too safely in tripods and lack imagination in the shoot. But you don't see me write and complain about them. I solve the problems. I am lucky to have worked with a couple of good ones, so I shouldn't have to put up a video side of the biz. But I also realized that in peak seasons, I might be left dry without a subcontrated video shooter if my favorite video guys are on their own projects, so I decided to go into it myself if only to close the deal and get a video out and without the headaches of those 3rd parties who don't share our vision and style. We didn't realize that clients and other photographers would like our work in video too, so that is a surprise even to us and a headache in a sense that our energies and resources are divided. I am currently working on a business plan to address this growing video biz side. But it's going to be tough because of many logistics and manpower issues.

Some Photographers in our country also have their gripes of videographers. In our country it's the light. Darn when they use 500-1,000 watt halogens up close range (5-8 feet) at the ceremony and the yellow tint and too much of it is making the couple look yellow and flat. Well, you could correct the color at post processing, but at about 400 shots inside the church, this ads to our stills editing time w/c shouldn't be in the first place if only the light was balanced in the first place! They also tend to direct too much in the dressup w/c is contra to our candid shooting. If I subcontracted them, then I could tell them to stop this, but if it's the other way around, well, that cramps our style. Also, I cannot put blue filters on their gear just to balance their light. Also, we usually have our lights parked on the side not carried by the lightman. These differences are affecting our stills style of shooting.

I have been shooting video lately, and as a video shooter, the shoe of complaint is on the other foot. But instead of blasting them in these fora, I work with them. I show them the footage, tell them how we could get better cooperation etc. Heck I encourage and give feedback and constructive criticism. Mind you, we are Asians and Asians are very sensitive to criticism, loss of face. For me to give criticism without hurting people's feelings is a tough and circuituous act. But it has to be done. Or else the problem stays and will repeat itself in the next shoot.

In our market tier, you are bound to work with the same group of people one time or the other; at leats meet them in a wedding before you or after you at the church. Even if Metro Manila is big and there are thousands of photographers, you slowly find that you get to work or see those in the same market one time or the other. It pays to have good relations with them, because you don't know when you will get to work with them again. And it isn't productive for either side if you don't get along well. Well, there are those you will not be able to work well at all, but they are very few. Besides, as Sun Tzu wrote, in the Art of War, the best warrior is not the one who defeats his enemy, but one who has made his enemy his ally and friend (or something to that line).


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Caterpillar
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Aug 4, 2005, 9:46 PM

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Forgive me if this is a silly question, but what is AVP?

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