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ANYONE A GRADUATE/STUDENT OF FULL SAIL?

 

 


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I have been looking into returning to college for filmmaking/video production. I have looked at Full Sail in Florida from time to time and was wondering if anyone here visiting this site has attended there or knows someone who has?
Thanks,
John


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Feb 25, 2004, 10:49 PM

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If you haven't seen this yet, check out http://www.fullsailsucks.com
This will give you some insight as to some of the practices at this school. I actually teach at a state university down the street from Full Sail and have not really heard any good things about the place. For the most part, I hear that its for rich kids whose parents will waste 40K or more for their kids to mess around with photoshop and get a degree that takes them nowhere. I haven't heard of lots of job placement out of there - in fact one person I know who went there did nothing but make a music video after graduation and was asked to come back and teach there. To me, knowing the person as well, it spoke lots about the school. Sometimes you'll hear good stories about people from there, but it tends to be people who are just naturally motivated to do things. If you have that natural motivation... learn it on your own and get internships at places. You learn more from internships than at schools - especially in this field where a degree doesn't mean as much as a reel.


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Feb 26, 2004, 7:12 AM

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John,
This is a discussion that pops up on this board from time to time.
I am a Full Sail grad.
I am employed as a video producer at a corporation.
and before that worked in tv in several different markets.
I make and excellent living.
I am under the impression that some people get upset because Full Sail didn't help them become famous film or record producers.
The truth as I see it and I'm sure that a lot of people will diagree with me, is that it's not the degree or the school it's what you do with it... and what you want to do.
I consider my full sail education very important.
It helped me get into the industry.
Now I also understand that some would not consider working at the small market tv station that I started at as "In the industry", however it was fine for me.
After 12 years I still use the skills that I learned at Full Sail every day.
Keep in mind the film, video and audio fields are not degree driven like many other fields.
They are much more experience driven and your best asset in the long run is a grat demo reel.
Just my 2 cents, I'm sure many will disagree.




: I have been looking into returning to college for filmmaking/video production. I have looked at Full Sail in Florida from time to time and was wondering if anyone here visiting this site has attended there or knows someone who has?
: Thanks,
: John


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Feb 27, 2004, 7:57 AM

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I've heard good things about PCFE Film School, a film school based in Prague.

: I have been looking into returning to college for filmmaking/video production. I have looked at Full Sail in Florida from time to time and was wondering if anyone here visiting this site has attended there or knows someone who has?
: Thanks,
: John




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Feb 27, 2004, 10:30 PM

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I agree.
For career and job-advancement (with a decent income) filmmaking must be practiced beyond the classroom, if you feel that formal schooling is necessary for you. Filmmaking and screenwriting, like most of the practical arts, must be part of your everday lifestyle. Just like writing, or painting, or music playing, a filmmaker's craft can only improve from lots of practice. Also, obtain an internship with a small (and recognized) production company----this would allow for more creative involvement and growth, instead of being a long-term office clerk or cart-pusher for MGM. Join a company which produces docs or fiction pieces for HBO or an educational television channel. Maintain professional bonds, and form your own company with other emerging artists. Being a leader-director with motivation is essential. For instance, at the group of the '70s emerging filmmakers such as Coppola, Speilberg, Lucas, etc... They did what was necessary to improve their craft, and even did commercials or PBS or music videos to pay the bills. Norman Jewison said, "good filmmaking is telling a good story.....just tell a good story." Make films that challenge people's thinking. Make films that matter and that say important things. Find organizations in your area that provide support, networking and affordable equipment/editing facilities; for instance, in Toronto, Canada, www.lift.on.ca is a not-for-profit organization that supports independant filmmaking. Check out their website. Go to school if you really feel the need to; however, by the end of the second month, you may have wished that you spent that money on production costs, instead of giving to some school.---The money for the unbelievable tuition rates in the U.S. colleges can be spent on a Mac G5 and Final Cut Pro or Avide Xpress Pro, and that new Panasonic 24p camcorder, and catering costs (because your volunteer crew and cast will have to eat too, right?). A school transcript does not lead to a well-made film, only lots of filmmaking will do that. If you feel that you must have a formal education, then choose a short, practical, and recognized program (ie. courses at the A.F.I.--American Film Institute, or courses at the Canadian Film Centre--------these schools have close ties with the industry and established artists).
Keep on making films or scripts----consider animation and stop-motion animation. Super 8 filmmaking is so genuine to the roots and spirit of the art----use it more often.
Michael Moore, Spike Lee, and Bertolt Brecht have done great works, all of which should be aired on primetime NBC and CBS.(That would be very odd.)
This website is of an excellent documentary film: www.daughterfromdanang.com
Log on to: www.cloakanddagger.ca
Log on and tune in to: www.ciut.fm
good luck,
Ed

: If you haven't seen this yet, check out http://www.fullsailsucks.com
: This will give you some insight as to some of the practices at this school. I actually teach at a state university down the street from Full Sail and have not really heard any good things about the place. For the most part, I hear that its for rich kids whose parents will waste 40K or more for their kids to mess around with photoshop and get a degree that takes them nowhere. I haven't heard of lots of job placement out of there - in fact one person I know who went there did nothing but make a music video after graduation and was asked to come back and teach there. To me, knowing the person as well, it spoke lots about the school. Sometimes you'll hear good stories about people from there, but it tends to be people who are just naturally motivated to do things. If you have that natural motivation... learn it on your own and get internships at places. You learn more from internships than at schools - especially in this field where a degree doesn't mean as much as a reel.


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Feb 28, 2004, 7:10 PM

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One good thing about getting a degree or diploma is for gaining credentials for future teaching-jobs. However, if you already have a degree, getting another one in filmmaking is a lot of money to pay for a skill that only develops from constant practice.
Suggestion:
Spend your money on a Mac G5, Final Cut Pro, and production costs. Sitting in a classroom and listening to a lecture on camera theory might become a drag. Just go to libraries and bookstores and read up on film theory, and film styles, and photography, and lighting, and screenwriting. Get a job(or internship or volunteer) in a production company, or community television. Most importantly, make your own films now and learn from trial and error. Watch different films of the past, and films from other countries and deconstruct what you see. You'll move a lot further from making your own docs or short-films, instead of spending a fortune on school and making little projects for some professor. The only schools worth attending are AFI and the Canadian Film Centre.(They don't waste time and the courses are short.) In any case, keep on plugging away at your own scripts and get a cast and crew together(when necessary) and just shoot. (ie. Steven Speilberg never went to film school, but as a child he was always working on his own films.) Even if you're not a student look for college or community film clubs-----this is a great way to network and show your short films in their screenings/festivals.
A good way to earn an income while develop your skills is to make ads for businesses around town, or corporate videos, or wedding videos. Treat these jobs like you they were your own features, and even wedding videos could look really good. It's all about practice. Unless you get a scholarship, you might want to put that money on your own film projects, instead paying some school.


: I have been looking into returning to college for filmmaking/video production. I have looked at Full Sail in Florida from time to time and was wondering if anyone here visiting this site has attended there or knows someone who has?
: Thanks,
: John


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Mar 16, 2004, 10:31 PM

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well the guy that i like is goin there...and he's leavin me...and i'm almost willing to travel across the country, go to a different environment, just to be near him


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Apr 15, 2004, 9:25 PM

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: went there, left early, way too many people, half the teachers are right from the program, way too expensive, dont go, they hook you with big cameras, big lights, big sound stages, and lots of blinking lights. the education is poor, i would suggest B.Sing a resume and becoming a teacher so you can use all their gear for free...go knows theyve got so many students there they would probobly hire anyone with an internship under their belt. :) its a rushed program with fun toys....big deal, you get to play with an SRIII or an Arri 35 on a crane...have fun while it lasts, because thats the last time its going to happen for a long while. but hey...look on the bright side...you will be in class next to 200 soon-to-be-going-to-hollywood-and-be-huge 18 year olds!!!!fun for all!
: I agree.
: For career and job-advancement (with a decent income) filmmaking must be practiced beyond the classroom, if you feel that formal schooling is necessary for you. Filmmaking and screenwriting, like most of the practical arts, must be part of your everday lifestyle. Just like writing, or painting, or music playing, a filmmaker's craft can only improve from lots of practice. Also, obtain an internship with a small (and recognized) production company----this would allow for more creative involvement and growth, instead of being a long-term office clerk or cart-pusher for MGM. Join a company which produces docs or fiction pieces for HBO or an educational television channel. Maintain professional bonds, and form your own company with other emerging artists. Being a leader-director with motivation is essential. For instance, at the group of the '70s emerging filmmakers such as Coppola, Speilberg, Lucas, etc... They did what was necessary to improve their craft, and even did commercials or PBS or music videos to pay the bills. Norman Jewison said, "good filmmaking is telling a good story.....just tell a good story." Make films that challenge people's thinking. Make films that matter and that say important things. Find organizations in your area that provide support, networking and affordable equipment/editing facilities; for instance, in Toronto, Canada, www.lift.on.ca is a not-for-profit organization that supports independant filmmaking. Check out their website. Go to school if you really feel the need to; however, by the end of the second month, you may have wished that you spent that money on production costs, instead of giving to some school.---The money for the unbelievable tuition rates in the U.S. colleges can be spent on a Mac G5 and Final Cut Pro or Avide Xpress Pro, and that new Panasonic 24p camcorder, and catering costs (because your volunteer crew and cast will have to eat too, right?). A school transcript does not lead to a well-made film, only lots of filmmaking will do that. If you feel that you must have a formal education, then choose a short, practical, and recognized program (ie. courses at the A.F.I.--American Film Institute, or courses at the Canadian Film Centre--------these schools have close ties with the industry and established artists).
: Keep on making films or scripts----consider animation and stop-motion animation. Super 8 filmmaking is so genuine to the roots and spirit of the art----use it more often.
: Michael Moore, Spike Lee, and Bertolt Brecht have done great works, all of which should be aired on primetime NBC and CBS.(That would be very odd.)
: This website is of an excellent documentary film: www.daughterfromdanang.com
: Log on to: www.cloakanddagger.ca
: Log on and tune in to: www.ciut.fm
: good luck,
: Ed

: : If you haven't seen this yet, check out http://www.fullsailsucks.com
: : This will give you some insight as to some of the practices at this school. I actually teach at a state university down the street from Full Sail and have not really heard any good things about the place. For the most part, I hear that its for rich kids whose parents will waste 40K or more for their kids to mess around with photoshop and get a degree that takes them nowhere. I haven't heard of lots of job placement out of there - in fact one person I know who went there did nothing but make a music video after graduation and was asked to come back and teach there. To me, knowing the person as well, it spoke lots about the school. Sometimes you'll hear good stories about people from there, but it tends to be people who are just naturally motivated to do things. If you have that natural motivation... learn it on your own and get internships at places. You learn more from internships than at schools - especially in this field where a degree doesn't mean as much as a reel.