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X-Matthew_Coady
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May 18, 2004, 1:39 PM

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I'm heading off to film school in the fall and I thought it would be a good idea to make a short film with a couple of my friends. Just something fun I can look back on in the future and I had a couple questions maybe you guys can help me with.
Slow motion. I'm not talking about matrix slow or anything ridiculous like that, just slower. I'm using a sony mini dv camera nothing fancy. Can it be done with the camera or perhaps in post or would I need a high speed camera?
Gun shots. Nothing over the top. Blanks, although avaliable to me, would be out of the question. We were thinking of holding the gun off camera, using a single strobe light flash for the shot, and add the sound in after. Does anyone have a better method?
Keep a car floating in a river. We purchased a car for seventy dollars for this scene. We were thinking of putting a dock/warf under the car, float it out, and keep adding weight, such as cinder blocks until the warf is submerged leaving just the car visable.
What do you guys think? Does anyone have any better ideas. Thanks.
-Matt


X-Doug_Graham
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May 18, 2004, 2:03 PM

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: Slow motion.
Do that in post. Almost all computer editing systems have a slow motion feature.
: Gun shots. Nothing over the top. Blanks, although avaliable to me, would be out of the question. We were thinking of holding the gun off camera, using a single strobe light flash for the shot, and add the sound in after. Does anyone have a better method?
Why are blanks out of the question? They make noise, flame, smoke, and recoil just like the real thing. Just don't point the darn thing at anybody; treat it like a real loaded firearm...the gases and powder grains alone can be harmful at close range, and there have been a couple of tragic accidents on film sets when what they thought were blanks...weren't.
: Keep a car floating in a river. We purchased a car for seventy dollars for this scene. We were thinking of putting a dock/warf under the car, float it out, and keep adding weight, such as cinder blocks until the warf is submerged leaving just the car visable.
I'd do this one in post with a chromakey shot, rather than get involved in marine engineering. Put a big blue backdrop behind the car. Paint everything below the waterline blue, too. Shoot the scene. Go shoot the river. Key the two shots together in post. Ta-daaa! Floating car. Enhance the illusion by closeups of the people in the car, with a little "spray" being thrown up on them by someone just off camera.
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Doug Graham


X-Mark
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May 18, 2004, 4:24 PM

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: I'm heading off to film school in the fall and I thought it would be a good idea to make a short film with a couple of my friends. Just something fun I can look back on in the future and I had a couple questions maybe you guys can help me with.
: Slow motion. I'm not talking about matrix slow or anything ridiculous like that, just slower. I'm using a sony mini dv camera nothing fancy. Can it be done with the camera or perhaps in post or would I need a high speed camera?
Can be done in post. Easiest way by far. I use Vegas Video 5.0 and you can use "velocity envelopes" to make slow motion, as well as varying the speed of playback. Works slick.
: Gun shots. Nothing over the top. Blanks, although avaliable to me, would be out of the question. We were thinking of holding the gun off camera, using a single strobe light flash for the shot, and add the sound in after. Does anyone have a better method?
There are really good ways to get around it stylistically. If you don't own it (and you really should), rent "Fargo." There's a scene where Steve Buscemi's partner shoots a state trooper and chases down a couple who saw them with the body. When he tracks them down, he aims to shoot one of the witnesses and the picture cuts to black just before the gun goes off, but you still hear the gunshot. For all we know, Peter Stormare didn't even fire the gun on set. But it still works.
: Keep a car floating in a river. We purchased a car for seventy dollars for this scene. We were thinking of putting a dock/warf under the car, float it out, and keep adding weight, such as cinder blocks until the warf is submerged leaving just the car visable.
I'm no expert here, but I'm sure you're playing with a lot of fire doing something like this. There's probably all sorts of things to think about when doing this including safety, laws, and probably environmental stuff as well. I'd go with Doug's idea of chromakeying the car in. With that method, you definitely have a lot more control over the situation as you do it all in post.
Of course, there are also stylistic ways of accomplishing the effect of a car going into water without having to put a car in water. Be creative. That's what film school is all about!


X-Matthew_Coady
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May 19, 2004, 11:05 AM

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Ok so slow motion in post. Is there something I can do to the camera to make it look better when I make it slow?
For the gun shot we'll just play around with it and find what works best.
About the chromakeying, what programs can use that?
Also, any other tips you guys can give? Or common mistakes I can avoid?
Thanks
-Matt


X-Mark
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May 19, 2004, 7:08 PM

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: Ok so slow motion in post. Is there something I can do to the camera to make it look better when I make it slow?
Four words: keep the camera steady. Any little tiny jerks in camera movement will be magnified when you slow them down. Tripod if possible.
: For the gun shot we'll just play around with it and find what works best.
: About the chromakeying, what programs can use that?
The two I use and know can do it are Premiere and Vegas. I think you should also be able to use After Effects but I've never used it myself.
: Also, any other tips you guys can give? Or common mistakes I can avoid?
Probably the biggest advice I'd give you is go substance over style. Most of the student films I've seen (or rather, participated in) try to be innovative visually with no real practical reasons story-wise.
: Thanks
: -Matt


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May 25, 2004, 3:11 AM

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RE: "Is there something I can do to the camera to make it look better when I make it slow?"
Three words...
Variable shutter speeds.
Watch the movie '28 days later' on DVD and pay attention to the 'behind the scenes footage'...look that they achieved by playing with their cam's shutter speed settings.
Re: "For the gun shot we'll just play around with it and find what works best."
We once used a rubber gun and had somebody off camera take a flash picture to "mark" where each gunshot was supposed to be. We then doctored each of those frames up in post with muzzle closeups, fake muzzle flashes and sound fx.
RE: "About the chromakeying..."
Make sure that you light your chromakey screen properly.
RE: "Also, any other tips you guys can give? Or common mistakes I can avoid?"
Three words...
Shoot to edit.
Keep proper notes and watch your continuity.
Watch and log your footage daily and make backup dubs right away.
Three more words...
Tape is cheap...
Shoot what you need to tell your story properly.
SMG


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Jul 7, 2004, 6:17 PM

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I wonder if the car stuff can be partially shot in a place where you can put 2 inches of water and drive the car onto it...then it would be rotoscoping, but probably not a lot different than the green/blue screen thing.
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