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Clueless on process for HD footage

Jordan
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Oct 7, 2005, 9:58 PM

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I rented a couple of HD cam (FX1s) for a wedding this weekend (they "had to have it" in HD) and have no idea how this whole HD thing works.

Do I record in DV or HDV? If HDV, can I burn this onto a normal DVD?

I have the software to edit it (PPRO 1.5) and have since shot footage and uploaded to my pc (as HDV), but want to make sure
I'm doing things right. The last thing I need is having all their footage (on HDV) and no means of delivering it.

Thanks,
Jordan

DSE
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Oct 7, 2005, 10:43 PM

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The first question is, how did you capture? Do you still have the cams?
If you're using Premiere Pro, I'd recommend you downsample from HDV to SD in the camera. If you were using Vegas or Canopus, I'd downsample in the software.
If they want it delivered in HD, then you only have a couple choices right now, today. Windows Media Video HD, or Nero AVC. In a short while, you'll have other choices, but they likely won't be able to display it on anything for a while. You might consider using the CineForm codec in Premiere, rendering the initial timeline to HD, and archiving it. Then render from the HD file to SD, and deliver in SD. Explain you'll have to charge a bit more if they want it delivered in HD once HD formats are more ubiquitous.

That would be my workflow, anyway.
HTH

Douglas Spotted Eagle
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"I enjoy music, long walks at sunset on the beach, and poking dead things with a sharp stick."

krskrewz
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Oct 8, 2005, 11:12 AM

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Another possible option would be:

1) Record in HDV and capture the video onto your computer in HDV (make sure ilink convert is off).
2) Edit the footage and then render as a 1080i Program Stream
3) Use DIVX Converter HD

They could then:
1) View their video footage pretty smoothly on their computer with divx software.
or
2) You could put the DIVX HD Footage onto DVD and they could view the footage on their HD TV (with component inputs) using the
DIVX HD Supported Avel Link Player. Since you should raise your prices for delivering the package in HD, you could add the price of the AVEL Link player as part of the high definition package.

The DIVX HD Footage looks amazing but is technically not considered true High Definition. To the eyes though it still looks great.

Hope this helps.

Oh and just curious, how much does it cost to rent an FX1?

(This post was edited by krskrewz on Oct 8, 2005, 11:14 AM)

DSE
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Oct 8, 2005, 11:36 AM

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The DIVX HD Footage looks amazing but is technically not considered true High Definition.

According to whom? Any video, regardless of any compression, that is larger than 576 lines of horizontal or 720 lines of vertical, is HD.

If you're interested in the Avelink method of delivery, then you might as well use the Nero codec, as it's ridiculously superior to the DivX and other HD compression tools. It's also AVC/H.264/MPEG4, so it complies with HD delivery standards as well. Of course, you can still use Windows Media HD, but DivX and Nero look much better, IMO.

[edit] Just realized no one answered the question of daily rental. I'm not aware of many places renting FX1, but Z1 is going for between 200.00 and 300.00 per day, depending on the city you're in. Chicago for instance, is pretty well in the middle of that, being 250.00 per day. LA is about 200.00 per day.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
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"I enjoy music, long walks at sunset on the beach, and poking dead things with a sharp stick."

(This post was edited by DSE on Oct 8, 2005, 12:36 PM)

krskrewz
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Oct 8, 2005, 12:13 PM

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Good luck on the wedding and hope all goes well!

Jordan
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Oct 9, 2005, 12:49 PM

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If you're using Premiere Pro, I'd recommend you downsample from HDV to SD in the camera.

If I do that, why shoot in HD?

Jordan
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Oct 9, 2005, 12:53 PM

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In SF the FX1 goes for $200/day.

DSE
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Oct 9, 2005, 12:59 PM

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1. The HD-aquired image is much better, even when downsampled to SD from the camera.
2. If you're not delivering in HD, you're gonna have to downsample at some point. Premiere isn't an optimal scaling application such as a Teranex box, S&W box, Sony Vegas, or other software converters.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
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www.vasst.com
"I enjoy music, long walks at sunset on the beach, and poking dead things with a sharp stick."

KevinShaw
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Oct 10, 2005, 12:09 PM

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In SF the FX1 goes for $200/day.

In Sacramento the Z1U is $200/day or $300/weekend, including extra batteries and the wide-angle lens adapter.