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FX1 for Dance Recital

 

 


Corsair
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May 12, 2006, 2:03 AM

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Hey all, I just got my new toy (FX1) and I have a chance to tape the dress rehersals for an upcomming Dance Recital. I'm looking for tips on manual settings from other experienced users of this camera. Of course I can't use any lights, but I'm not sure the problem will be low light. Usually the dancers are well lit with the spotlights. It's not a paying gig, I'm just hoping to do a nice job and try and get their business for next year and get some demo stuff. My previous experience is all with one-chippers. This camera has a ton of buttons and I'm wondering if there's some settings you consider imperative to getting good results. Thanks in advance


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KevinShaw
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May 12, 2006, 10:55 AM

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I've used the FX1 for a couple of stage performances involving a wide range of lighting conditions, and the customer was happy with the results even in very dim lighting. Unless you're sure of your ability to manage manual exposure, I'd suggest shooting with the shutter speed locked to ~1/60-1/125 and leave the iris and gain on auto for your first shoot, then see what you think of the results. Also, since the shutter speed wheel is on the back of the camera it's easy to adjust that if necessary while shooting, e.g. lowering it to 1/30 for very dark scenes and raising it for very bright ones.

What's tricky with the FX1 is when you know you want a locked exposure regardless of the lighting conditions: to do that you have to be sure to put shutter, iris and gain on manual or the camera will adjust any of those three you don't lock. But for stage performances where the lighting varies, letting the camera adjust exposure works fine.


Stoney
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May 12, 2006, 2:34 PM

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I've shot a lot of dance recitals but not with the FX-1 yet. For your first one, letting the camera do the work may be a good way to go, but this is what I usually do:

1. White Balance: Manually balance on stage with the main stage lights on. If I can't do that do to restrictions on getting to the stage or something like that, then I use the indoor white balance button. (This will give you consistent color levels that can be tweaked in post if needed. If you let the camera do an automatic reading you can run into problems with ambient light and the different color lights over saturating your video)

2. Run the shutter at 1/60 and run the iris manually. In my experience if you run automatic iris, it will blow out faces when you go wide when things like spots are used. Example: If you have a full stage of dancers, but the one centered has a spot light on them, if you zoom in for a tight shot of that dancer she or he will look great. But if when you go wide to show the whole stage, the spotted dancer will be blown out to compensate for the rest of the lighting. If you manually adjust the iris you can find that sweet spot where you can see the spotted dancer and see the rest of the stage.

3. Gain. I usually end up running around 6 or 9db gain. Why? It gives me range in the iris to be able to adjust to the different lighting situations. Some people will say to run without gain and pump it up in post. Either way, you will be inducing some form of electronic gain. I've had very good luck and I'm used to running the iris manually. By the way, I read a tip once that the videographer suggested to help lessen grain when using the gain on camera, white balance with the gain already on instead of with it off. I'm not really sure if it helps, but I do know that it doesn't hurt.

4. When all else fails. Do what you feel most comfortable doing.

I currently shoot recitals with a DVC80. At my day job I have a Z1u, so I do have experience with that camera. If I were to use the Z1u, would run it exactly like I posted above.

Good luck,
Stoney
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Corsair
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May 12, 2006, 2:44 PM

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Thanks for the advice, exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Even though I'm only doing the rehersal, I'm hoping to get a nice looking finished edit that I can present to the studio and possibly get the gig in the future! Thanks again, and if anyone else has any tips please feel free to keep em coming! :)


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JohnnyRoy
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May 21, 2006, 9:38 PM

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My previous experience is all with one-chippers. This camera has a ton of buttons and I'm wondering if there's some settings you consider imperative to getting good results. Thanks in advance


I’m not sure what your level of experience is so I apologize in advance if this is too basic, but in addition to running full manual as suggested above you should also be using manual focus. Zoom all the way in and focus on the stage. Something like a microphone stand or other prop. Then zoom back out and don’t touch the focus. This will prevent the camera from auto-focusing on someone who just got up a few rows in front of you and spoiling the shot.

Also, before the actual night, take the camera out and shoot, shoot, shoot. Get use to where all the buttons are without looking because you will probably be in the dark at the recital. Do all of your testing indoors in your own home as close to “recital” lighting as possible. As Stoney said, put it in manual mode, set the shutter to 1/60, Gain to 6db and just worry about the iris. If you have the iris fully open and it’s still too dark, bump the gain up a bit to 9. Then just play with the iris from there. Don’t forget to use the zebra stripes to make sure you are not blowing things out with the lights on stage. Adjust the iris accordingly. This will give you only one thing to worry about (i.e., iris/exposure) at first besides framing the shot. ;)

Good Luck. I have a Z1U and you’re gonna love the FX1!

~jr

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