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JVC's HD10U users

 

 


hlanden
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Dec 1, 2005, 9:55 AM

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Is anyone using JVC's one chip HD10U? I'd like to hear your experiences.

Hal
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RichA
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Dec 1, 2005, 12:02 PM

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Hi Hal. I have used the JY-HD10U for several (but not many) basketball games so far.
I plan to shoot this season with this camera. I don't have experience with any
other HD camera. I have posted a few seconds of my results, including comparison
to an SD camera, here: http://www.sportsflashtech.com/video/

If I can answer any questions, I will happily make a try!
Rich


hlanden
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Dec 1, 2005, 1:17 PM

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Hi Rich,

Thanks for the link. As you'd expect the HD10U footage has more detail. I'm not sure if I'm seeing all there is to see.

I've put up a new page on this camera and would appreciate any of your experiences or comments you might give.

http://videouniversity.com/jvchd10u.shtml

I won't link to the video because that would be unfair to the site owner. Anything you like or dislike about the camera?

Hal
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RichA
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Dec 1, 2005, 6:39 PM

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Thanks for asking, Hal!
I have these notes on the camera, based on shooting just 4 basketball games so far.

1. HD image quality of the downloaded MPEG-2 TransportStream is a very nice and
even awesome improvement over DV. My viewers definitely do a double-take
and say "whoa, what is this?". However that said, it is not as good as getting
a basketball game over cable (I have Comcast and ESPN HD). On a 30" LCD flatpanel,
ESPN-HD basketball is brilliantly sharp and clear. The HD10 falls in between.
Don't have unreasonable expectations for a first generation consumer HD.

2. It is disappointing that only one of shutter and aperature can be manually set.
Furthermore, it may not be apparent, but you must keep the setting up on
the screen. If you advance the menu, say from shutter to aperature, the
first one immediately goes to automatic. For sports, definitely keep shutter
on the screen and select this value as high as you can and still have light!

3. The progressive scan feature of this camera is a superb winner over
interlace, for sports. I know this is a controversial point. Perhaps best left
as a matter of taste. To my taste and goals, it is so nice to be able to
freeze and slow mo a sports play, and really see the exact ball position
etc. Really no other camera can do this!! I can't upgrade from this
camera today, in a similar price range.

4. Regarding light sensitivity, who has enough light? Almost all gyms are
horribly lit. You think its bright until you pull out the camera!
I can't directly compare the HD10, except to say
a) in a pro arena with flood lights all around the court, I can shoot
1/250. Nice image!
b) in a typical college gym, no flood lights, 1/125. OK image.
c) in a high school gym, bring a flashlight :-). I have to shoot either
1/100 or 1/125 depending upon how many burned out bulbs.
For sports, I really don't want the shutter below 1/100. You can no longer
find the ball position. The HD10 is just good enough, in terms of light
sensitivty to work ok here.

5. There is no image stabilization for HD mode. Be real smooth on that
tripod. Sure wish I had image stabilization.
I use a software package to post process, if needed (wastes a lot of time).

6. I don't pay too much attention to sound, so can't comment.
In a gym, its a continuous blast of noise. With a zoom mike,
I do get nice ball bounces, and sometimes even the refs voice!

7. viewfinder is nice at 3.5". I don't want to miss the game I am taping!
With this viewfinder, I can tell who is scoring!

8. auto-focus is better than my prior JVC camera. My DV2000 would
hunt and hunt, while chasing the team up and down the court.
The DV2000 had to be used with manual focus, period.
So far the HD10 is doing an excellent job at finding the players.
Not perfect, but where to focus with 10 players running around!
It is quite annoying, at least to me, to see a video with focus hunting.
You may want to plan to use manual anyway.

That's all for now.
Rich


bruceo
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Dec 15, 2005, 1:51 PM

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2. It is disappointing that only one of shutter and aperature can be manually set.
Furthermore, it may not be apparent, but you must keep the setting up on
the screen. If you advance the menu, say from shutter to aperature, the
first one immediately goes to automatic.



Are you saying that if you put shutter in manual the aperture goes to auto and vice versa?





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5. There is no image stabilization for HD mode. Be real smooth on that
tripod. Sure wish I had image stabilization.



So there is no optical stabilization at all and not even electronic for HD mode?

Thanks for the info!


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ourweddingvideo
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Dec 15, 2005, 3:33 PM

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I used this crappy camera for several months, by the way yes you have Optic stabilization in HD.
For weddings this camera will put a normal Videographer out of business in just a few short months. It's 32 lux makes it almost impossible to shoot reception footage and the compression (19 mbs) leaves very little latitude making bright spots blow outs and blacks gray.
And don't get me started about progressive images in slow motion, stuttery and blurry.
This camera can fake you out and bring home a decent image while shooting in optimum conditions but for weddings and just about anything else one would be a fool to use the JVC HD 10.
By they way those of you who may have gone to the 2004 expo would have seen my work with the HD10 camera at the JVC booth. Of course it looked great because I smoke at shooting weddings but please don't try this at home.


bruceo
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Dec 15, 2005, 5:03 PM

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What about the shutter aperture thing?


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RichA
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Dec 15, 2005, 7:07 PM

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Hi, regarding,
...if you put shutter in manual the aperture goes to auto and vice versa?
Yes, that is correct. As far as I understand the camera and am able to set it up.
One cannot control both settings. Both auto, or one auto, are the choices.
Thanks, Rich


bruceo
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Dec 15, 2005, 7:53 PM

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Hi, regarding,
...if you put shutter in manual the aperture goes to auto and vice versa?
Yes, that is correct. As far as I understand the camera and am able to set it up.
One cannot control both settings. Both auto, or one auto, are the choices.
Thanks, Rich



Just doesn't make sense. That means you can never take full control of the image, that the camera will always adjust the exposure by adjusting the fstop or shutter working against your adjustments. If you have a backlit subject that you want to expose the faces and blow out the background, you wouldn't be able to do it...


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rmw
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Feb 14, 2006, 8:05 AM

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I have a GY-HD10U and a GY-DV300U (and a bunch of consumer camcorders). The image from the HD10 (HDV mode) is noticibly sharper than the DV300, but there is a lot more control with the DV300 (and of course, a huge differance in low light performance). I too am perplexed as to why JVC decided not to give the user control of both shutter and aperture (at the same time - for goodness sakes, they marketed the HD10 as a professional camera!!!). There can be significant noise in the HD10 image, especially in reds (temporal noise filtering in post can be helpful). Forget shooting inside without good lighting (they aren't kidding about the 35 lux rating). The HD10 is certainly more of a challenge to get a good shot from than the DV300. The positives of the HD10 are it's resolution, progressive scan frames (that I love) and the ability to shoot widescreen without losing resolution (I wouldn't shoot widescreen with the DV300 - I'd use my TRV70 for widescreen before using the DV300).

Robert M Wright