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DSE
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Feb 20, 2005, 5:11 PM

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Here's the thing, IMO....(I hope Sony doesn't read these forums.Angelic)
With Blu-Ray and HD-DVD still fighting it out, and with the world being ready to move NOW, I suspect that they'll be forced to make compromises as manufacturers that they don't wanna make. With AVC here now (and supporting Blu-Ray) and VC-1 likely just a month away (NAB 2005) I think you're gonna see them either buried in serious competition, or see them make the compromises because they can't keep up with the software side of the game. Will you have to update from an AVC on DVD to an AVC on Blu-Ray when it comes? Maybe. Only if Sony doesn't make it easy for you to use both. But even so, it's just a couple minute transfer from one media to another. Nothing more needs to be done. AVC already is Blu-Ray supported. VC-1 will probably be the same, unless MS stupidly decides to lock it off, and they won't. They want penetration, they want ubiquitousness. Mark my words, at Christmas this year, you'll see DVD players that have at lest 6 compatibility logos screened or stuck on the front. Probably more, but at least 6 I can think of right now.

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Mathew
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Feb 20, 2005, 6:27 PM

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Mark my words, at Christmas this year, you'll see DVD players that have at lest 6 compatibility logos screened or stuck on the front. Probably more, but at least 6 I can think of right now.



Laugh You still don't get it.

Why would anyone want to play Russian roulette with this rediculous amount of formats? I want one format that I know will play on 96% of my clients dvd players.

I think we all need to look at the SACD vs. DVD-Audio fiasco. Niether format has received any penetrable market share. Both require specialized players. You know what is hot right now? It's not high rez audio. It's iTunes and portable mp3 players.

I forsee the same with movies in the future. I hate to say it but DVD collecting is a fad. I myself rarely buy them anymore. Most people don't watch a movie more than once or twice. Blockbuster is now doing the Netflix thing and pretty soon broadband will be ubiquitous and fast enough to deliver high quality movies on demand. Rumors are starting to emerge that companies like Apple will get into this market.

What does this have to do with HD? Plenty. A well encoded 480P DVD looks great on an HD set. Not as sharp as 1080i or 720p but good enough for 90% of average consumers. When the first true HD formated DVD players emerge there will be huge lack of software. Software is what drives hardware sales. Nobody is going to buy hardware without the software.

I just want to add that with all the above in mind I would love it if Panasonic or some other camera manufacturer would just release a 16:9 camera capable of recording 60P. Instead of cramming more pixels on smaller CCD's within a smaller bandwidth; refine the existing, workable formats. The public isn't screaming for HD like you say they are otherwise guys like Joel and John would be hearing about it from their clients.


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DSE
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Feb 20, 2005, 7:02 PM

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I'm not sure what I don't get, Mathew. Pray tell. I would love to be enlightened by someone so much better informed than the various broadcast groups we're members of. Perhaps you'd like to present alongside me, Udo Uberlein of Nero, Tim Onders of Microsoft at the NAB Post Production Conference next month on distributable media formats?

The industry is moving faster than MPEG is. (MPEG the group, not MPEG the format) While a well-encoded 480p disk looks acceptable, there are many options that just ain't gonna go away. AVC is the choice of Apple for delivery. MPEG 4 is the choice of many film distributors. VC-1 is Microsoft's delivery that will be used like WMV for professional/vertical delivery. VC-1 is only awaiting SMPTE acceptance, which will only happen at the yearly SMPTE gathering, which takes place at NAB each year.

AC3, SACD, DTS, MPEG2, MP3, MPEG1, VCD, SVCD, HDCD are all already part of MOST DVD players whether you see the logos on the front or not. The decoder chips for m2t streams are just now coming online, TI and Philips report orders of nearly 1 billion (BILLION) chips for DVD players and plasma/lcd televisions. Those same chips are programmed for other formats and are soft upgradeable. Toshiba and Sony just recently announced a processor alliance which slots in with the Texas Instruments/Philips decoder chips.

The film industry and professional authoring industry are tired of waiting for the MPEG committee to move forward at the slow pace that they move, so the industry has developed its own formats and moving ahead with them. You'll hear more about this in a very short time as it is, but the bottom line is that we'll have at least 3 new formats for delivery by years end. This is without considering Blu-ray or HD-DVD. This is also without considering what Aetme and other companies are doing on their own. REAL isn't out of the picture for physical delivery either. Nor it Quicktime for that matter. Imagine having Quicktime be readable on your DVD playback device....along with many, many other codecs. And more to come from DivX, Sorenson, various flavors of H.264, Xvid, Bitjazz, and others. The two big players to watch for are AVC/H.264 and VC-1 which at this point are Nero, Apple, and Microsoft.
SD is going to die reasonably quickly. There are companies already announcing very smooth upsampling for archive/legacy media, because within 5 years, most display, delivery, and broadcast technology will be HD, upsampled SD, or a blend. MPEG-2 will be left behind as a broadcast medium, and that's fine by the MPEG committee as a rev driver for them.
It might not be the best set of solutions, but it's what's coming regardless of what anyone likes.

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L_awful_Man
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Feb 20, 2005, 7:10 PM

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Matty,


I'm afraid what you're not getting is that it's past the Valentine's Day and you're still your sweet loving self, working your way up the HDV totem pole. 'nuf with the theory, let's play some HDV Russian roulette @NAB2005, shall we? This way, when you're back, folx can actually pay attention to what you have to contribute to the subject of HDV.

More NAB2005 Party info here:
http://www.videouniversity.com/...?post=159143;#159143


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Mathew
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I'm not sure what I don't get, Mathew. Pray tell.


I just told you. While you're busy typing useless jargon as filler for one your "How-to-get-snowed in by technology and live to tell about it" books, the content creator will be shaking their head trying to figure out how to get their work to the consumer on any one of the twenty useless formats that no single hardware will 100% support. Why do you think the English language is taught worldwide and not Portuguese?

I trust that this H.264 format is something important because Apple is incorporating it into QT7.


Mathew
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SD is going to die reasonably quickly.


Another totally ignorant statement. SD is supposed to die in 2006 isn't it? Well we're only 10 months away from this self-imposed apocolypse because I don't see SD going anywhere anytime soon.


Mathew
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let's play some HDV Russian roulette @NAB2005, shall we?


Actually I was thinking about going down to Chuck E. Cheese and playing a few rounds of whack a mole.


szerangue
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Feb 20, 2005, 9:08 PM

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I should be more specific when making statements like you will need to spend 20k or so to get into HDV. That price tag included 2 HDV cameras, a powerful computer, HD editing software, monitor, HD monitor, etc... Sorry if you misunderstood me... my editing computer cost me around $4500 including software, give or take $100.
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szerangue
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Sidenote.... Rusty, are you in Houston?
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DSE
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Feb 20, 2005, 9:24 PM

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Another totally ignorant statement. SD is supposed to die in 2006 isn't it? Well we're only 10 months away from this self-imposed apocolypse because I don't see SD going anywhere anytime soon.



Most folks know by now that:
a: DTV bears no relevance to HDTV. Laws relating to DTV will go into effect on January 1, 2007 at a regional level. The DTV mandate has nothing to do with HDTV, EDTV, or SDTV. It may or may not go into effect in your area. If you are in LA, Dallas, NYC, Chicago, Des Moines, Salt Lake City, Boston, Miami, and other reasonably affluent/large markets, you'll
b: SD will be around as a delivery format for many years, but as a broadcast format, it will be dead in 5 years, as I suggested above. Maybe you know more than NAB does, I dunno. I'm not sure where the "self-imposed apocalypse" comment comes from, because it's false as hens teeth.

Scratch your head all you want, but what manufacturers will deliver will offer authors and consumers more options than ever before, and the industry is done with single delivery standards. We're no longer saddled with a horrible looking format like MPEG 2. That's the beauty of all the formats.
If you're just now hearing about AVC/H.264, get used to hearing more about it. It's the format that everyone except Microsoft have grabbed on to because it carries a lower royalty share. Moreover, it's a much higher quality than Microsoft's VC-1 that hasn't even been approved as a standard yet. Most of the DVD playback devices have already signed on for AVC and other formats. H.264 is a wrapper, and may be offered in many flavors, which is confusing if you don't understand it, but the consumer won't have to. The decoders for the various codecs are already built into their player. Siemens and Philips have offered AVC for over a year in Europe, and it's made its way to the US as of recently. Like I said, by Christmas, you'll see at least 6 logos on the front of the DVD player, or at least on the box.
And that's just the way it is.

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L_awful_Man
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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,


It's still a mystery why VU's in-house anomaly, aka Mathew, is still here in this thread? Blush

Mathew, do you seriously believe you gonna miss the boat if you just act as an adult for once and learn to pull out on your own accord and NOT have your childish angst to have the last word?

You've been politely asked NOT to parade your ignorance and totally uncalled for 'beef' with DSE on numerous occasions. You've been under the moderators' scrupulous radar and your outrageous posts get constantly deleted. If you DO NOT RESPECT the community's voice, perhaps at least show some self-respect.

Since you refuse to get the message that - under normal (non-virtual) circumstances should've been clear, - here it is again:

Mathew, as a professional videographer you sure are acting UNprofessionally
under the roof of VU
.


If NOTHING else, it's embarassing and undignified to make such a fool out of yourself day in day out. If you're still not satisfied with proving yourself as such, it's o.k. We've gotten your message by now.

Frankly, it's UNBELIEVABLE what people think they can get away with, just because they're 'invisible'. You're NOT. Just bear this in mind...

The VU's community truly appreciates your episodic moments of scandalous fame. Now that there's a first official DEATH THREAT from you - whack a mole - VU's folx might actually think you've got connections with the Chicago mob out there? Sweet. Perhaps this is your ticket to fame and fortune? Do keep us informed which way the wind is blowing in the windy city! Cool

Speaking of books... or writing per se...
You seem to respond to individual statements with a separate thread lately? For someone so pathologically allergic to print matters you sure are enjoying the reading/writing 'filler' process...

As to the useless jargon as filler, since you don't seem to respond to Morris' words very intuitively, see if Jeff Natalie's opinion might sink better in "de-teching tech"...

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Mathew
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Feb 20, 2005, 9:48 PM

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b: SD will be around as a delivery format for many years, but as a broadcast format, it will be dead in 5 years, as I suggested above. Maybe you know more than NAB does, I dunno. I'm not sure where the "self-imposed apocalypse" comment comes from, because it's false as hens teeth.


This contradicts this:


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SD is going to die reasonably quickly.


No kidding that eventually we'll switch over but five years is not the six months apparently that HD is going to conquer the world in.

I'm not a huge fan of mpeg2 though it's perfectly acceptable now with a good software encoder.

Compression is compression. I don't see how you can despise mpeg2 so much when HDV is based around the codec. I myself think HDV looks heavily compressed when it comes to motion. Starting with a heavily compressed format and then moving to an even heavier compressed format doesn't make a lot of sense to me. This is all for the sake of resolution of course.

I'm interested in H.264 mainly because it's scalable. So from my understanding you can take a 1080i h.264 file and software scale it in realtime so that it will also playback at 720x480 on aunt betty's SD Apex DVD player. Point out if I'm wrong about this.


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DSE
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Feb 20, 2005, 10:27 PM

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Please point me to where I've said SD is going to be gone in 6 months. On any forum, anywhere. If you're gonna prevaricate and put words in my mouth, please do it credibly so that as the person being lied about, I might actually believe your crap and think I've made a mistake.

All codecs are scalable, so I don't know where you got the idea that H.264 is any different than anything else. It is scalable just like any other MPEG so that if there is a decoder in the deck, it will playback SD or HD. Just like most any other delivery format. It does have temporal, spatial, and quality scaling in the decoder spec for everything from telephones to cinema screens. It's not the only codec that can do this, but it's the first that has hardware associated with it, so that is somewhat different, only because VC1 hasn't been accepted yet, and DivX is just getting their licenses going. Nero Digital is the first commercial implementation of it.

Compression is not compression. You might as well say a wedding videographer is a wedding videographer.
You clearly don't understand the technology behind it, but that's OK, you don't need to, right?

Douglas Spotted Eagle
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Mathew
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Feb 20, 2005, 10:55 PM

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How is the mpeg2 compression utilized in HDV different than the mpeg2 compression used in DVD authoring?

Again it will be the consumers who decide whether or not to adopt the format and then buy the software. I have no doubt that many DVD players now include DVD-A as well as SACD however that isn't exactly driving up software sales for those formats. I see the same for HD for the forseeable future. People will not replace an existing format based on the simple fact that it is 'better'. Getting the masses to adopt a brand new format with all new rules is rediculous. I can already see the Best Buy flunkies trying to explain why some HD DVD won't play on their old Apex SD player because it's encoded in H.264 and not mpeg2 Crazy


DSE
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Fortunately, the Best Buy "flunkies" know more about HD, HDV, and video formats than you do. For the most part the consumer won't know the difference.
Once again, please point me to where I said SD would be dead in 6 months. I'll abide lack of knowledge, stupidity, ignorance, and even obnoxiousness, but I won't abide a liar.

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Mathew
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I fixed it for you. I was confused by your multiple uses of the number 6 regarding formats. Please forgive me. Now please answer my question regarding how mpeg2 encoded for HDV is any different than mpeg2 is for DVD. You stated:


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We're no longer saddled with a horrible looking format like MPEG 2. That's the beauty of all the formats.


You're a huge proponent of the incredible difference that HDV provides over SD and yet it's based after a codec that you seem to loathe.

I'm just trying to get some clarification here.


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DSE
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Go find your own clarification, Mathew. The information is out there, go buy a book or something.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
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Go find your own clarification, Mathew. The information is out there, go buy a book or something.



A-ha! See, DSE IS just trying to sell books!!! Sly J/K!



DSE, with some wedding videographers you're fighting an uphill battle. When we had our second wedding in Vegas, it was shot by a videographer using a VHS camcorder...looks like crap and sounds even worse. Many videographers still charge $125 for a DVD instead of a VHS, becasue it's considered an upgrade. I'd guess because they're using antique deck>deck editing techniques from the 1920's. Sly


At the Duran Duran concert last night, we were on the floor/14th row, and I swear the cameraman that walked by me was shooting with an FX1. He walked by and right up to the stage. It was hard for me to tell, after 7 budweisers and a half a bottle of vodka. Now, it's 1:30 PM...I need some breakfast and an aspirin.Crazy




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szerangue
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Rusty, at first glance, the girls arm in that avatar looks like a leg, it's freaking me out!!!
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Mathew
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When we had our second wedding in Vegas, it was shot by a videographer using a VHS camcorder...looks like crap and sounds even worse.Crazy


I don't disagree about using the best tool for the job but I also suspect that 99% who get shotgunned married in Vegas could care less about the quality of the video.

If I were shooting footage for a rock concert like Duran Duran and I had access to a FX1 then I would definately choose it over a SD camera. That is unless I was striving for a film like aesthetic then a DVX might be more appropriate.

I wouldn't have a problem if a client came to me who wanted an HD wedding video and were willing to pay for the extra expense of doing so. I suspect though the extra cost of doing HDV with camera rental, software upgrades and extra editing time would be well over a thousand of my current prices. That is where someone like yourself or Shane could step in. Heck if I respected your work enough I would even refer you the job.


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How was the concert?






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DVman
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I think your posting may have summarized the sentiment of what many non HDV videographers have these days. With DVD Blue Ray to be introduced in a few months costing $12,000 upwards for consumers, how in the hell, we videographers think we could do to shoot and deliver HD footage to the masses. I just don't get it.
Sony has been in the slump for a few years and they are betting on the HDV format to rise again. I am tempted to buy a Z-1 but I just can't figure out if it is worth it now. Logic says it is not financially because it will not really help me generate more income.



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Sticking with A – SD, might go B – HD in late 2007 if my market is ready and it makes business sense.

Why SD you say…

1) My 2005 wedding season is full.

2) Of my bookings for 2006, none have mentioned HD whatsoever. I have no doubt my 2006 will fill without a word about HD from any of my clients.

3) My SD cameras have been paid off for a few years and it makes greater business sense to me to get as much life (and return on investment) out of these cameras as I can. Extra profit goes into my retirement savings and my 3 year old daughter’s College Fund.

4) I'm conservative when it comes to buying into the latest technology. I NEVER buy the first release of any new techie stuff. If I did that, and bought HD cameras now that I wouldn’t use anyway, I know I'd want the "new and improved" camera when that comes out in a couple of years.

5) I don't have the spare time now to fool around and do "work-arounds" with the stuff now (when my client's have no use for it) - even if I wanted a HD camera to have for fun, I just don't have the time for it right now.

6) My clients aren't asking for it and I feel no pressure from what Sony, WEVA, Best Buy and the trade magazines want everyone to believe. That’s a general rule for me with regards to any technology stuff, not just with HD.

7) As I've mentioned before, and others have pointed out, once a HD-DVD format is available and consumers show signs of buying into it (in my market area), then that will have more influence on me and help me decide when the time is right.

8) In waiting, a benefit I see, is that prices on other HD related stuff will drop slightly, and the software and other issues that exist now in terms of editing will have been resolved. And of course, the “new” models of cameras will be out.

Anyway, my take and why I'm in no rush. I’ll enjoy at least a few more years using my SD cameras and buy into HD when I’m good and ready and I can see it becoming a benefit. As to when, my plan is to wait until mid to late 2007 and see what my market is like – if it doesn’t warrant the investment then, I’ll continue to hold off and revisit HD in 2008.

For the record, I do have a DVD from an associate who shot with the FX1 at a recent wedding and downcoverted it to DV. The difference I noticed is with objects in the far background, they appear more in focus and cleaner vs. DV (i.e. Guests way in the background could me made out much better, that did look good). As far as the general picture quality, I would say a bit more bite, but nothing that I found earth-shattering (at least while viewing the downconverted DVD). I do realize it is downconverted and put onto a regular DVD, so I’m sure the orig. capture looks beautiful. However, since I’m only delivering my weddings on regular DVD for the next few years, this downcoverted DVD image just doesn’t sway me.

For others, now might be a great opportunity and might reap some rewards by going HD, only you know when it’s best for you.

Thanks Shane for your willingness to share your experiences with this stuff and your two cameras.

Best to all.



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Hi DVMan,

In my opinion, if one thinks buying an HD camera at this stage is going to give them a big boost financially, I think they'll be sorely disappointed. It isn't about the make and model of your camera that gets you business, but rather what you do with what you have. The content, overall production value, of what you do and give to your clients is what will get you more referrals and boost-up your business. Of course, the way you market yourself and your company come into play, but content is huge (as I'm sure you know).

Look at it this way: there are two guys who do home improvements: one has a gold hammer that cost $5,000; the other has a silver hammer that cost $50. You are looking to have your kitchen remolded. When meeting with both of these guys, are you going to hire the first one just because he has a $5,000 hammer, OR, will you hire the one whose work you like the most and whose personality is more like yours?

Back-stepping, with wedding videography, the goal I think is to get the public informed about what good wedding video looks like (content): because some brides and grooms who have not seen a well done wedding video, are still going to ask themselves, "why do we need a wedding video?" I doubt they will answer, "hey, we need a wedding video because it can be shot in HD now". If they don't see the value of what one can provide as far as a well done production, then what kind of cameras are used, how many shooters, etc. is pointless. Content will always be first, with other factors to follow and then equipment. Comparing what major TV networks are doing with their million dollar budgets and what we as wedding videographers are doing, is a different game. We appeal on an emotional level to our clients – not a technical one.

HD now for some wedding videographers (perhaps yourself) makes lots of sense, for others, staying SD, or waiting a few years, or more makes sense. I don’t mean to come across in this post saying HD is bad; as long as the content is there, I think HD and SD are great.

John


(This post was edited by John K. on Feb 26, 2005, 6:39 PM)


RebelShooter
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I could go into detail on how the manufacturers are playing the event videographers like chumps but i wont. Take a look at the specs on SVHS,DV and HDV and youll see what i mean. HDV is a toy format that will not be around at least in its current incarnation 2 years from now.

So go out and buy your HDV gear and encourage them a little more.


(This post was edited by RebelShooter on Feb 27, 2005, 6:51 PM)


Morris
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Feb 27, 2005, 5:14 PM

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Re: [RebelShooter] hdv wedding video [In reply to] Can't Post


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(Post addressed to Morris) --- I could go into detial on how the manufacturers are playing the event videographers like chumps but i wont. Take a look at the specs on SVHS,DV and HDV and youll see what i mean. HDV is a toy format that will not be around at least in its current incarnation 2 years from now.

So go out and buy your HDV gear and encourage them a little more.



RebelShooter,

Huh? Did you address your post to me by mistake? Your post sounds to me like I was advocating buying HDV gear when anyone who has read all of my posts on this subject should know that I don't!

I would only advocate buying HDV equipment when there is a good indication whether HD-DVD or Blu-ray was winning the HD race, when the masses was into buying HD players and displays (remember it takes both to reap the full benefits of HDV), and when the cost of players and burners were reasonable enough to make the effort worthwhile. Suppying an "interum solution format" on regular DVDs now is only asking for a huge amount of work later when clients realize that HD-DVD or Blu-ray is the accepted format and want their "interum solution" HD wedding video on discs that will play on those players. If the interum format happens to be compatible with the dominating HD-DVD or Blu-ray format then great but is it worth the gamble?

Even then I only advocate progressive for wedding video work, not interlaced.
Morris


(This post was edited by Morris on Feb 27, 2005, 5:38 PM)

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