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16:9 onto DVD

sc
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Feb 27, 2005, 8:28 AM

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Trying to figure this out, any help would be great, because it's just not working out right for me so far...

shooting - using xl1s in 16:9 mode
edit - using fcp hd
authoring - using dvdsp2

what i'd like to do is, to edit in fcp, then author using dvdsp2. i'd like to create a dvd where, when i set the dvd to play on a 4:3 tv, the letterbox bars would apply and video would maintain 16:9 ratio. but when it plays on a 16:9 widescreen tv, it would fill the full widescreen with 16:9 ratio.

is there something specific i have to do in fcp? when importing? exporting? editing?
is there something specific, or settings i have to apply in dvdsp2?

any help or instructions on this would be greatly appreciated.

i shot a 1 minute test clip, imported and quickly edited in imovie5 hd as widescreen dv clips, imported to dvdsp2 and changed the disc preference to 16:9. the dvd plays and displays fine on the dvd player set to 16:9 and viewed on a 16:9 widescreen. but when viewing it on a 4:3 tv, everything stretches vertically. i've tried changing the dvd player to the 4:3 setting, but it doesn't work. it's still vertically stretched.

help!

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Renny McCauley
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Feb 27, 2005, 2:12 PM

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Hey SC:
Here's what I've done when editing 16:9 footage:

1)Capture in final cut using DV NTSC Anamorphic. If you have already captured on regular DV NTSC, you can go into the file browser, find the clip, scroll right until you see the column titled anamorphic and click in the empty space to make it anamorphic.
2) Make a new sequence with DV NTSC Anamorphic settings. Then bring you're footage in. If you forget to do this, you're going to have problems, because the footage will get cropped or stretched. If you've already edited on a regular timeline, you'll probably have to create a new 16*9 sequence and copy and paste your footage over to the new timeline.
3) Export your reference (or self contained) movie.
4) Use Compressor to compress. You can use a canned Widescreen setting, or make your own. Just make sure in the Encoder-Video Format section 16*9 is specified for aspect ratio.
5) Import your asset into DVD Studio like usual.
6) After placing your asset onto the timeline, look over at your track inspector (the window that changes depending on what you have selected. Under Display, select 16*9 for your mode.

This should allow you to burn a 16*9 DVD. I haven't been able to test this on a 16*9 TV, but I know on a 4*3 it is displayed in the correct letterbox format (ie it's not stretched).
Renny

Derek_S
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Feb 28, 2005, 6:28 AM

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I shot some footage for myself in 16:9 and was wondering how to do the same thing. I brought my footage in as you said, have changed the sequence settings, but when I render a short timeline, it plays back all black in the viewer?!?! Whats wrong? If you click through the time line, you can see footage. Also is the viewer window suppose to just stay in 4:3 mode? Is there anyway to see it in 16:9? I'm using FCP 3.
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Renny McCauley
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Feb 28, 2005, 9:44 AM

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Hey Derek,
Not sure about FCP 3. I've never used it. But you'd think there'd be a way to use 16*9 footage. Why not upgrade to 4? Is that a dual 1.8 G5 you have? That's plenty to run FCP 4.
Renny

Derek_S
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Feb 28, 2005, 10:41 AM

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Its a single that I bought about 2 months after it was debuted and I couldn't justify the cost of a DP. A month later they dropped the price of the DP 1.8 to only 100 bucks more than i paid for my singel! The single will still run it I'm sure.
PD170 & VX2100, G5 & iBook, 23" Cinema Display, FCP & FCE, DVD SP 3, Sennheiser wireless and 2 MD recorders.

Bob Hudson
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Feb 28, 2005, 11:03 AM

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I make anamorphic 16:9 movies using iMovie 3, so FCP3 will work. Uaing anamporphic settings in FCP 3 does unsqueeze the video for viewing on the computer screen during editing, but the final product is still squeezed. The secret to working with it, is that the MPEG2 encoder must be able to flag it as widescreen and you select a widescreen option in the DVD authoring program. After you do that, then DVD players will automatically play it letterboxed on normal 4:3 TV's and full screen on 16:9 monitors as well as on computers.

DVD Studio Pro, CaptyDVD 2.5 and iDVD 5 will all make widescreen DVD's.

sc
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Feb 28, 2005, 11:14 AM

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thanks for the hints Renny.. i'll have to try it.
i'm still having problems using compressors, i'm hoping skipping that step won't screw up everything else.

there's so many places where i can specify 16:9 in dvdsp2 it's friggin confusing.

i do notice that the video clip, in the asset section, does appear as letterbox/16:9, but when i drag it into the track, it's just stretched. when i have the track selected, i don't seem to see the option in the inspector that allows me to change the track to 16:9.

in addition, in file->preference or something to that effect, it allows me the option to create a 4:3 or 16:9 dvd. do i set it as 16:9?

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Derek_S
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Feb 28, 2005, 11:17 AM

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My problem really lies in the fact that the editing window is 4:3 so if I go and enlarge my 16:9 image it goes past the where I think the edge is. Can't you change the setting in the viewer to display the correct size? What is the correct size? Maybe I'm suppose to let it squeeze it all the way to the top and bottom?
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Bob Hudson
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Feb 28, 2005, 11:30 AM

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Here's a handy tutorial on FCP and anamorphic video: http://digitalproducer.com/...article.jsp?id=28589 - it will show all the settings.

Renny
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Feb 28, 2005, 12:07 PM

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SC:
I've actually never seen the preferences option for 16:9. There really are A LOT of places to specify 16:9. If you want to use the shotgun method, just set all the ones you can find to 16:9 and maybe it will work out.

I don't understand why you can't see the aspect ratio option in the inspector. Try clicking on the track in the Outline window and see if the inspector gives you the option.

As far as doing MPEG-2 compression without Compressor, you might try doing it straight from Final Cut. File-export-quicktime conversion-mpeg 2, then choose options and select 16:9. It's still using compressor as far as I know, it just doesn't pop up as an active program. DVD SP uses compressor too I'm pretty sure.

I think I remember you talking about Compressor not working. What's wrong exactly?

Renny
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sc
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Feb 28, 2005, 12:26 PM

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renny, compressor keeps giving me a "Unable to connect to background process" error no matter what i tried. even reinstalled fcp and dvdsp2 and still nada. as soon as i clear out the projects on one of my external harddrives, i'm planning to install a previous version of panther and install compressor only on that hard drive. i'm hoping it'll work. keeping fingers crossed.

i'll check the aspect ratio option in inspector for the track again... will check if it works...

off to an errand, be back in a few hours to report.

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sc
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Mar 1, 2005, 3:57 PM

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Yea!!! I finally figured it out. found the spot in the inspector where i can change the aspect ratio for the track. i also change the aspect ratio for the asset to 16:9 as well as the disc preferences to 16:9. don't know if all three is necessary, but it's working perfectly now!

thanks for the help!

now if only i can get compressor to work right...

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sc
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Jun 23, 2005, 5:56 PM

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okay, so obviously i'm not destined to produce any widescreen products 'cause here i am again...

so i have footage shot using anamorphic aspect ratio settings on the xl1s. imported into fcp as anamorphic. all clips are flagged as anamorphic and shows up as such in the viewer and canvas when they are set to fit to screen. it's edited. then sent to compressor. i used the default settings for ntsc 90min anamorphic 16:9 for the mpeg2.

now the problem is, when i bring the resulting m2v file into dvdsp, it appears "extra stretched". in the dvdsp viewer when the viewer is set to 16:9, the footage looks right on 4:3 screen with letterbox, but when viewing on a 16:9 screen, it's stretched more horizontally, the letterbox bars are preserved, and i look like i have a stretched 4:3 picture on the screen. i open the same m2v file in QT7 and it looks the same, it looks over stretch horizontally. the movie info displaying QT7 says my footage is in 720x406.

i've already made all the necessary 16:9 settings (in disc preferences and track setting)in dvdsp, so i'm assuming it's not the dvd authoring, but the incoming video data that's causing the problem. so i see the breakdown in compressor.

any ideas on what i did wrong?

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sc
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Jun 23, 2005, 7:27 PM

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okay nevermind. i figured out my dumb mistake. i backtracked from dvdsp to compressor to fcp and found that my sequence was not in anamorphic. like i said, dumb mistake.

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FC3PO
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Jul 19, 2005, 11:10 AM

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Hi SC,

I just sent you a PM, please reply if you have the time.

Thanks!

sc
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Jul 20, 2005, 4:56 AM

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just sent u a pm back.

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FC3PO
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Jul 20, 2005, 10:59 PM

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2) Make a new sequence with DV NTSC Anamorphic settings. Then bring you're footage in. If you forget to do this, you're going to have problems, because the footage will get cropped or stretched. If you've already edited on a regular timeline, you'll probably have to create a new 16*9 sequence and copy and paste your footage over to the new timeline.

I finally figured out where I went wrong, my 16:9 box was not checked within the sequence settings. So, I made a new sequence and copied and pasted the footage from the other sequence in the new one and it squished my footage even more. However, If I drag a clip from the browser in it appears as it should. So Reny, copying and pasting footage did not work and I am really not looking forward to re-editing the entire movie. Does anyone have any sugestions so I can salvage the editing I have already done?

Thanks

sc
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Jul 21, 2005, 3:53 PM

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you don't have to re-do the sequence or cut and paste anything.
just change the setting of the sequence to be 16:9 aspect ratio. i believe my pm to you already indicate that. just go to item properties and click on the empty space in the clip column where the check mark should be to set the aspect ratio.

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FC3PO
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Jul 21, 2005, 5:15 PM

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That worked for my new sequences before I dragged int he clips, but on the sequence I already editied it squishes down the previously letterboxed footage.

sc
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Jul 22, 2005, 12:27 AM

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if the sequence is set for anamorphic 16:9.
check one of clips in your timeline, go to the "motion" tab in the viewer, expand "distort" option, look at the "aspect ratio". i bet it's something other than "0". change it to "0" and see how the clip looks in browser then?

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FC3PO
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Jul 22, 2005, 10:20 PM

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YOU ARE SOOOOO THE MAN!!!

Thanks - I was really upset that I was going to have to re-edit. I owe you one!

If you are a fly fisher, I will gladly tie you some flies!

sc
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Jul 24, 2005, 6:33 AM

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oh good! glad it's resolved! yeah, it's a pita to go back and adjust the aspect ratio, but it's a lot better than re-editing! haha... haven't gone fly fishing before, only salmon fishing. but i'll keep that in mind, i hate baiting my own hook.

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