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Any difference between moving an edit point with the Selection Edit Tool and the Roll Tool?

 

 


GmElliott
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May 11, 2006, 11:24 AM

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When you select an edit point and move it using the Selection Edit Tool, or via the Roll Tool- is there a difference?








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RatVega
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May 11, 2006, 1:58 PM

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When you select an edit point and move it using the Selection Edit Tool, or via the Roll Tool- is there a difference?

Yes there is, but in basic practice it can be subtle. If all you want is to trim one edit point, the edit selection tool automatically opens the trim window for you. If what you want to do is "roll" the edit point (like maybe move the cut point between two clips dead over a beat of the music) then the roll edit tool is easier. Each has other capabilities that you may need, then the differences increase.

Edit Selection: Selects an edit point between clips. You can select edits on as many
tracks as you want, but you can only select one edit per track. When you double-click
an edit, the Trim Edit window appears so you can precisely modify several edit points
simultaneously.

Roll Edit: A roll edit adjusts the Out point and In point of two adjacent clips simultaneously. If
you like where two clips are placed in the Timeline, but you want to change when
the cut point happens, you can use the Roll tool. No clips move in the Timeline as a
result; only the edit point between the two clips moves.

If you keep studying like this, I'm going to be out of a job here soon. Tongue





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GmElliott
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May 11, 2006, 3:25 PM

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Re: [RatVega] Any difference between moving an edit point with the Selection Edit Tool and the Roll Tool? [In reply to] Can't Post

Makes sense but what makes them different? The fact that the Edit Selection Tool can select mutiple edits? When you select an edit point and nudge it in either direction isn't it essentially doing exactly what the roll tool is? In other words if I move the edit point to the right, in towards clip B, it's going to show more frames of clip A and less of the beginning of A precisely like the Roll Tool will.

How about the Ripple Tool? If want to trim back the end of the last clip in a project will the Ripple Tool (in this particular instance) work just like the standard Selection Tool by highlighting the last clips furthest right edge and draging toward the left shortening it's length? Also the animations while dragging a clip that is nudged between two others with the Ripple Tool confuse me. For example if you have Clip A, Clip B, and Clip C all butted up against each other (straight cuts) and you highlight the inner edge of the beginning of Clip B and start dragging to the right changing the point in which Clip B starts the animation show the place holder for Clip B shrinking from both ends, if you go far enough it actually inverts and starts to grow (if that makes sense?). I understand what the tool does but the feedback animation perplexes me.








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RatVega
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May 11, 2006, 3:57 PM

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Makes sense but what makes them different? The fact that the Edit Selection Tool can select mutiple edits?
Yes. This might be because you want to simultaneously edit several video layers and a couple of related audio tracks.

When you select an edit point and nudge it in either direction isn't it essentially doing exactly what the roll tool is?
In other words if I move the edit point to the right, in towards clip B, it's going to show more frames of clip A and less of the beginning of A precisely like the Roll Tool will.
Again you're right, but with the Roll Edit tool, you can do it with a transition in place. I find roll edits very handy when fine-tuning a sequence.

How about the Ripple Tool? If want to trim back the end of the last clip in a project will the Ripple Tool (in this particular instance) work just like the standard Selection Tool by highlighting the last clips furthest right edge and draging toward the left shortening it's length?
In that instance, yes. The real point of the Ripple Tool is to automatically shorten or lengthen the duration sequence as you edit.

Also the animations while dragging a clip that is nudged between two others with the Ripple Tool confuse me. For example if you have Clip A, Clip B, and Clip C all butted up against each other (straight cuts) and you highlight the inner edge of the beginning of Clip B and start dragging to the right changing the point in which Clip B starts the animation show the place holder for Clip B shrinking from both ends, if you go far enough it actually inverts and starts to grow (if that makes sense?). I understand what the tool does but the feedback animation perplexes me.
You have me here... there are several animations for the more complex functions that I find confusing as well. While I'm sure that they all make sense in some context, they don't to me. Maybe when I get smarter... Crazy What you describe sounds almost as if you totally inverted the order to A-C-B and I don't know if that's possible.

Something to remember here is that these tools are like a mechanic's tools; you can turn an exposed nut with a number of different wrenches, but there are special wrenches to deal with specific problems.





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bbalser
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May 15, 2006, 8:47 PM

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Read my article in the May issue of Event DV,

http://www.eventdv.net/articles/readarticle.aspx?articleid=11301

it explains ALL of this clearly. Also, Event DV has the video clip to go with this article up now at

http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=11221

second tutorial down from the top.

I've found the four edit trim tools part of my seminars to get the largest and most possitive response from FCP editors. Master them and I can assure you your edit time will get cut by half.

It amazes me, if I may get on a soap box for a moment, how many editors of any NLE want to dive into "tips and tricks" and igonre the time it takes to learn the basic building blocks of editing tools. Learning the NLE's basic editing tools will save you much more time, AND you'll end up figuring out most "tips and tricks" on your own. LEARN THE BASICS OF YOUR NLE FIRST! I will always stand by that statement, due to what I actually see as a trainer. I interact with dozens of FCP editors all the time. The best are the ones who've learned the basics first with something like the "Apple Pro Training Series, Final Cut Pro 5" book. Not gone into the "tips and tricks" first.

Ok, I'm done. Have a nice day, y'all!