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DVD SP navigation problem

 

 


bmitchell
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Apr 26, 2006, 7:11 AM

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Let's say I have a title page, and 3 menu pages. I go to menu page 2 and select a scene to watch.

The remote for my dvd player gives me 2 choices. I can either return to the menu page I came from, or go back to the title page. On a disc made with DVD Studio Pro, no matter which button on my remote I push (in my case "dvd menu" or "title"), I keep returning to the title page.

This never happened with iDVD. What can I do in DVD SP to make this work right?
Bill

Extinction Level Event
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temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."
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RatVega
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Apr 26, 2006, 6:42 PM

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I'm not sure if I fully understand your problem statement, but DVDSP has the capability to configure the remote as well as control navigation around the DVD.

The part I'm not clear on is why the remote is being used to navigate at all from a scene. If you have a "chapters" or "scene selection" menu, I assume you would have created a Story so that each selection automatically returns to it's point of origin (or wherever you want it to go.)

My DVD player does exactly what your is doing even when I play Finding Nemo - I figured they didn't program this function either. BTW, where is the "title" page?





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bmitchell
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Apr 26, 2006, 9:57 PM

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The part I'm not clear on is why the remote is being used to navigate at all from a scene. If you have a "chapters" or "scene selection" menu, I assume you would have created a Story so that each selection automatically returns to it's point of origin (or wherever you want it to go.)


Hey RV -

Let's say you choose to watch the bouquet toss from a menu page, and while viewing it you decide you want to go back to the same menu page that got you there. On my player's remote, I push the "DVD Menu" button to take me there. Instead, I'm returned to the main dvd title page. On projects made with iDVD, I didn't have this problem.

I'm asking for a friend with DVD SP. How do you create a "story"? Is that what returns you from whence you came?

Thanks!
Bill

Extinction Level Event
"Those that would give up essential liberty in pursuit of a little
temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."
Benjamin Franklin
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ivey
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Apr 26, 2006, 10:25 PM

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I've imported my assets. I use the outline and connections window to assign buttons. I see that if I highlight the disc in the outline window, I get options in the inspector for remote control settings, but when I highlight the individual menu in the outline or connections windows, I get only the return button option. I don't find anywhere an option for a remote control button for an individual chapter. In other words, I can use the return button to jump from menu to menu, but what i'm looking for is a way to go back to the same menu from withing a chapter instead of going back to the main menu page. I hope this makes sense.





---Lisa---




Macs, cause they work

(This post was edited by ivey on Apr 26, 2006, 10:26 PM)


RatVega
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Apr 27, 2006, 12:16 AM

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This is for both Bill and Lisa:

If you want to be able to to go from either a "play all" button (usually on the main menu) or by chapter (first dance, bouquet toss, whatever...) from a "scene select" menu, here's what to do:

Lay out your menus however pleases you, but orderly generally makes it easier.

Built the "main play" sequence (I frequently have 3-4 clips that make up the main play, it's just easier to re-encode that way if I find an error late in the game) all on the same track in the DVDSP timeline. Chapter mark anything you want to be able to skip to, either for fast forward ease (I like a mark every 3-5 minutes in a long sequence) or points you intend to use as "scene selects". Name the scene selects for easy identification later - that way scenes have names, skip points just have chapter numbers.

With the track selected, use the "make story" option to create a story for the main play track and open the story tab.
(Aside: set up the end jump for the main play track to return to its menu. I usually do this before story creation just to keep organized.)
In the story tab, you'll see all the chapter marks you created on the left and an empty field on the right. Any thing you drag to the right can be re-defined for its end jump. I just drag everything over. Here's an illustration of how it hooks up:

I have a first dance which includes one "skip point" that I want as a scene select. I called the chapter mark "First Dance" (duh...) and the skip point is just (say,) chapter 8. I set up my First Dance button in the Scene Selection menu to jump to Story>First Dance. Then, in the story tab, I set leave the First Dance end jump as default (I think the default is called "same as track") so it will play through the skip point (chapter 8) and set Chapter 8 end jump to return to the scene select menu. This makes the First Dance button play from the First Dance chapter mark, through the Chapter 8 "skip point" and return to the menu it came from. Obviously if it was a longer segment with 2-3 skip points, I'd set it to play through all but the last chapter mark.

I generally also set a 2 second delay before the end jump coming out of stories, for some reason they sometimes want to quit a bit early and this seems to remedy the problem.

I know that you'll have some questions because anything this specific is subject to interpretation, but I hope this gets the dialog started.

Standing by...





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ivey
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Apr 27, 2006, 12:44 AM

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I don't think this is quite what I want. I'm not looking to return to a menu after a certain story or chapter has played. I want the video to play through to the end. If I have scrolled through the menus and am at menu three and decide to watch a chapter there, say Bouquet Toss, then decide to hit the "Menu or Return" button on my remote, what I would like to return to is menu three. That is the last menu I viewed. I am instead having to return back to the main menu. I have 19 chapters in this last video. Five menus plus the main menu. Each menu has a four drop zones with video representing what each chapter contains. Each drop zone has a corresponding button to take you to that chapter. Each chapter plays through to the end of the video. I would like for the client to be able to scroll through the menus and watch chapters as they like without having to go back to the main menu and scroll through from the beginning each time. So, if at the end of chapter 8 on menu 2, the client wants to scroll through to find another chapter to watch, isn't there a way for the return to be back at menu 2 instead of the main menu.





---Lisa---




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bmitchell
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Apr 27, 2006, 12:45 AM

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Thanks RV! I'll save this tutorial for when I get DVD SP. In the meantime, my friend Lisa has all the intelligent questions.Cool
Bill

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temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."
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bbalser
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May 9, 2006, 1:10 PM

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In DVDSP and according to the DVD standards, there are THREE locations to go back to from a video track. They are "Title", "Menu", and "Return". These correspond to the functions allowed for DVD player controls. In DVDSP you can choose which is which.

To do more complex stuff, like have the video track you're playing stop at the next chapter marker and go back to the menu you accessed it from, reguardless of what the remote controls are set for, you can do "Stories". They're very powerful and very easy to learn how to do. DVDSP has a tutorial that comes with it on how to do Stories. Very easy to learn.


bmitchell
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May 10, 2006, 3:31 PM

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Where in DVDSP are the settings for the "Title", "Menu", and "Return" options? Right now, DVDs created with DVDSP return to the title page no matter what button I push on my remote ("Title" or "Menu"), while watching a video track.

I'm not talking about automatically returning to a menu page when a scene is over. I want to return to the menu page, from a scene in progress, when I press "Menu" on the remote. Thanks.
Bill

Extinction Level Event
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temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."
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RatVega
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May 14, 2006, 9:00 PM

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The details of Remote Control programming options are on pages 608-610 of the DVD Studio Pro User Manual.





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bmitchell
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May 14, 2006, 9:48 PM

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Thanks! I'll pass that along.
Bill

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CaliDude
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May 17, 2006, 8:29 AM

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I was having the same problems with dvdsp. Guess I should actually read the manual (did it come with a manual?Cool).


RatVega
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May 17, 2006, 2:27 PM

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Yes...

More info that you probably want to read is available from the Help tab at the top pf the screen while the app is running.





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CaliDude
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May 17, 2006, 3:52 PM

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I've never been much of a "reader". I don't think I've ever cracked an owner's manual in my life. I like to just dive in and go with my gut.Cool Mac software is usually so easy that I can get away with that.


bbalser
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May 30, 2006, 11:40 PM

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Also, be sure you hit the F2 key to get into Extended Mode so you can access the Inspector to set all that stuff!


bbalser
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May 30, 2006, 11:42 PM

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"I don't think I've ever cracked an owner's manual in my life."

And you are proud of this illiteracy?