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Did my first capture in FCP tonight- few Q's

 

 


GmElliott
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May 15, 2006, 10:45 PM

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Captured a single DV tape tonight with FCP to start familiarizing myself with the workflow. I already have a few questions:

1) During capture is there any way to hear the audio? During capture in Vegas you can hear an audio preview- I guess it just makes me feel more secure to hear the audio during the capture to know a) it's on there! and...b) it's being captured ok.

2) The shoot was performed with a PD-170 with the built in shotgun on channel 1 and the wireless audio on channel 2. I'm probably going to use the wireless audio the entire time. I captured using the audio (unlinked) setting. When I dropped a clip in the timeline I noticed (obviously) that the audio waveform on the right channel were stronger (due to the wireless) yet the audio bars to the right of my timeline moved evenly????

Are they, by default, a "stereo pair" and the audio from channel 1 and 2 is being mixed into a single mono track?

How do I separate the two so I have my main wireless (which I want to duplicate over to both channels for a single mono track) and the channel 1 recording (onboard shotgun) on the timeline in the same manner but as back up and/or abience when the crowd applauds?

Thanks in advance!








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RatVega
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May 15, 2006, 11:18 PM

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Captured a single DV tape tonight with FCP to start familiarizing myself with the workflow. I already have a few questions:

1) During capture is there any way to hear the audio? During capture in Vegas you can hear an audio preview- I guess it just makes me feel more secure to hear the audio during the capture to know a) it's on there! and...b) it's being captured ok.
I believe the norm is to use the speakers in your NTSC monitor if you're capturing from a deck or the camera speakers if you use one of your cameras. For audio on the system speakers (or SoundSticks) during capture, you need to select the Preview option on the Clip Settings tab in the Log & Capture window. Search "audio capturing" in the FCP online user manual (in the Help Menu.)

2) The shoot was performed with a PD-170 with the built in shotgun on channel 1 and the wireless audio on channel 2. I'm probably going to use the wireless audio the entire time. I captured using the audio (unlinked) setting. When I dropped a clip in the timeline I noticed (obviously) that the audio waveform on the right channel were stronger (due to the wireless) yet the audio bars to the right of my timeline moved evenly????

Are they, by default, a "stereo pair" and the audio from channel 1 and 2 is being mixed into a single mono track?
The "default" is based on the preset used or the settings in the Clip Settings tab in the Log & Capture window.

How do I separate the two so I have my main wireless (which I want to duplicate over to both channels for a single mono track) and the channel 1 recording (onboard shotgun) on the timeline in the same manner but as back up and/or abience when the crowd applauds?
To split the pair and double them up for a total of four channels just in case you want to mix them, use Apple L will de-link the A/V, then Option L will split linked audio. Both commands are toggles, so the same command re-links. The easiest way to dupe the track is to double-click it into Viewer, then drag the little Audio icon back to the timeline where you want the second track. Pay attention to the Pan...


Thanks in advance!






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GmElliott
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May 16, 2006, 12:43 AM

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What's the difference between dragging an extra copy into the timeline and panning one left and one right....to simply changing the pan setting for a single track to the center (0) setting?

PS How do you normalize audio? It's my most used audio filter in Vegas.








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RatVega
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May 16, 2006, 1:03 AM

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What's the difference between dragging an extra copy into the timeline and panning one left and one right....to simply changing the pan setting for a single track to the center (0) setting?
No real difference except the track count, I don't need to tell you pan...

PS How do you normalize audio? It's my most used audio filter in Vegas.
You can normalize in Soundtrack Pro or any of several third-party products. Soundtrack Pro can be accessed from the timeline and "round-tripped", so that's nice...






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GmElliott
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May 16, 2006, 1:05 AM

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Right click (cmd+click) on the audio event and choose "Open in Editor". Correct? As long as the "external editors" have been set in the prefs.








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RatVega
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May 16, 2006, 1:57 AM

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Exactamundo, amigo...

Be prepared to create a .stap file to do it all non-destructively.

enjoy.





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mediaconcepts
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May 16, 2006, 12:35 PM

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Right click (cmd+click) on the audio event and choose "Open in Editor". Correct? As long as the "external editors" have been set in the prefs.


Thank you GmElliott! This is probably the best tip I've gotten from any forum. I have FCP Studio and have never been able to "do a round trip". I thought that I had installed the software incorrectly.

Thanks again,
Joe


GmElliott
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May 16, 2006, 1:59 PM

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Right click (cmd+click) on the audio event and choose "Open in Editor". Correct? As long as the "external editors" have been set in the prefs.


Thank you GmElliott! This is probably the best tip I've gotten from any forum. I have FCP Studio and have never been able to "do a round trip". I thought that I had installed the software incorrectly.

Thanks again,
Joe



lol, glad "I" could help. ironic isn't it. Crazy


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bbalser
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May 22, 2006, 4:09 AM

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The official Apple workflow is to send your audio clips not to an external editor, but to "round trip them".

Go to File > Send To > SoundTrack Pro Audio File Project

It'll prompt you with the option of cusomizing where the .sent file will go and/or custom name it (.sent has to remain as part of the name). It'll open automatically into STP. Sweeten it up, save, quite.

Once you've flipped back to your FCP app, the sound file with the .sent suffix is in the Browser already, and is in the timeline replacing your original copy of the sound file, who's original is still in the Browser also.

Non-destructive. Cause when you wake up in the morning and think, "what the hell was I thinking at 3am? I messed that sound up BAD!", you realize what a wonderful thing non-destructive editing really is.

This method is also independent of any pref settings.