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FCP export for internet

 

 


LarsCA
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Dec 30, 2005, 2:24 AM

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I have a 5 minute video of my 6 month old daughter I'd like to share with my family who lives far away in another country. I'm Mac based, they're PC users. In all it's glory and splendor it's a little over 1Gb after rendering, uncompressed. Obviously that's a tad bit too large for an email. I tried some different settings in >Export using Quicktime Conversion and the one I'm doing right now is: H.264 codec, keyframe every 75 frames, restrict <something> to 220 kbit/sec. I had a much shorter file not too long ago that I used that setting for, and it turned out OK (had to instruct my family to download some stuff from Apple, but in the end they could see it.)

Does anyone have any input on what I can do here? I've seen other people's wedding highlights looking good enough for internet video (usually .wmv files though) and I'd be OK with that kind of quality. Is there any way to get a 1Gb 10 minute video down in size to around 10-20Mb with enough quality to be viewable? (I have Flip4Mac by the way.)

Any comments welcome.

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DepModeFan
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Dec 30, 2005, 10:15 AM

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Obviously there's no ONE way of compressing, but here's one formula I've used that comes out with pretty good results. You may want to experiment with some settings to suit your tastes, but give this a try:
Sorenson 3 codec
Size: 160 x 120 (or even 120 x 90)
Keyframe Every 300 frames
Limit Data Rate = Off
12 Frames per Second (Medium quality)
Audio: IMA 4:1
32 khz
mono


DepModeFan
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Dec 30, 2005, 10:38 AM

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One other thought is that you may want to export from Quicktime using .m4v conversion (or iPod video). It can then be played using the latest iTunes if theyt don't have the video iPod. I recently converted a 2.5 minute video with iPod conversion and it came out to 11 megs.


LarsCA
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Dec 30, 2005, 12:00 PM

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I ended up using Flip4Mac to create a .mwv file. It came out pretty good. Settings:

CBR one pass
75%
480x320

Those are the settings I remember. Anyway, 5 minutes came out to 17.7 Mb and it looks decent. And it's PC friendly which solves one of my problems. (I tried to export it to a .mov file first. It came out to 55Mb and looked horrible - motion ghost traces and pixelated.)



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RatVega
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Jan 1, 2006, 8:57 PM

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Like Dep says, there's no single best setting but understanding what you're doing may get you closer to what you want more quickly.

First off, you're looking for something like 50:1 compression, so no matter what you do your quality is going to be mediocre at best. Here are some things that may help you get more of what you want:

Frame Rate: This is a big player in file size because you reduce the total number of frames you'll use. When image quality is important and motion smoothness is a lower priority, substantially lower frame rates will help.

Frame size: Going from 720X480 to 360X240 doesn't cut the size in half, it reduces it to a quarter, so if detail is a lower priority, big reductions can be had here.

Keyframes: This is a less understood area for many people. In most compression the data is reduced to I-frames (actual frames from the original, also refered to in compression as keyframes) and P- and B-frames which are interpolations of an I-frame and another P- or B-frame. The higher the number of I-frames, the larger the file will be, so reducing the keyframe frequency (that is, inserting fewer keyframes) will make a smaller file. The penalty is that fast-changing or "busy" frames may get very nasty looking.

There are several codecs available for "web encoding", common ones are MPEG-4 (AKA m4v), H.264 (AKA MPEG-4, Part 10 or AVC), MPEG-1 (AKA "junk" in my book ) and the Sorenson codecs. All have adjustments for the above parameters except H.264, which I'll cover below. Play with the codec settings to see what quality hits/size benefits each provides for your footage.

H.264 is the latest rendition of the MPEG-4 encoding family, expanded to include HD amongst other things. It is a very efficient codec, but requires significant processing power to encode and decode. This makes it a lesser choice for older, slower target machines. H.264 has been touted as being twice the quality of MPEG-4 (at the same file size) or half the file size of MPEG-4 (at the same quality.)

H.264 is different from most codecs in that it uses a "GOP-less" structure. All the above codecs use a GOP (Group Of Pictures) structure consisting of a repeating pattern of I-, P-, and B-frames with fixed relationships. H.264 uses these frame types more intelligently in a structure derived from its analysis of the clip being encoded. Clearly, there's a lot of advanced math going on, which is why it demands greater processor power.

I recently did a 5-minute clip in H.264 that was 480X360, good quality, and only about 20MB. In another somewhat specialized case (Animation codec, no audio, low [but acceptable] quality), I received a clip that was 2MB for 6 minutes.

Good luck with your project.





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bbalser
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Jan 18, 2006, 9:25 PM

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H.264 you'll find works best at very low or very high bit rates. Middle of the road bit rates I'd use Flip4Mac, or the RealOne free QTPro codec.