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HD-DVD with DVDSP Question

 

 


jpivideo
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Dec 1, 2007, 5:15 PM

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I've managed to create some short HD-DVDs on a DVD-5 using FCP, Compressor, and DVDSP. I'm playing these HD-DVDs back on a Toshiba HD-A3 Player, they look awesome, but sometimes they freeze and crash the DVD Player. I would think that either the DVD player is bad or just not stable with Burned Media, but when it happens it always happens at the same point!

Does anyone have any insight, or even advise on something I can do or maybe am not doing.


(This post was edited by jpivideo on Dec 1, 2007, 6:23 PM)


chucksav
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Dec 1, 2007, 7:18 PM

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I have been doing the exact same thing on the exact same HD DVD player with no problems. Could be the player, could be the media you are using. BTW, are you using mpeg2 encoding or h.264? I have been using mpeg2.


jpivideo
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Dec 1, 2007, 7:54 PM

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Thanks for the reply! If you haven't been having issues with the same Player I may just run it back to Best Buy tomorrow to get a new one. The first disc I burnt frooze near the end of a piece, but then I burnt new discs and ran them over and over again and they worked fine, 3 minute piece. But today I made a 13 minute DVD and the issue has been happening again.

I'm using Taiyo Yuden Media, as for the encoding I'm using the default HD-DVD 30 Minute Preset in Compressor. I'm typing from my laptop in bed and don't feel like turning on my Mac Pro to see if that's h.264 or mpeg2. Other then the freeze at the same spot it looks Off the Chain! It's almost as good as playing the tapes right out of the camera. The disc is 3 trailers, so if I have an appointment before it's solved I'll just stop the disc after the 2nd trailer cause it freezes at the same spot each time.


David L
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Dec 4, 2007, 6:52 AM

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Are you using the 16X TY media? If so, it is probably burning at 16X which could cause problems. DVD SP doesn't let you change the burning speed, afaik, which is a big flaw, as I don't like to burn anything at more than 2X. So when I'm creating HD-DVDs I use 4X Verbatim discs (the lowest I can find -- and they've been discontinued! So 8X is now the lowest!)

That's one possibility. Or just try different media, Verbatim works well for me.

Also, you may not know this, but you don't need to use Compressor at all. In FCP, just export to a Quicktime file, current settings, self-contained ... that Quicktime file is HDV, which is mpeg already, so there is no need to re-compress. Then just import that Quicktime file into DVD SP, and create the HD-DVD as you would normally. This is so much faster than using Compressor and the results are fantastic! Hope this helps.


jpivideo
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Dec 4, 2007, 7:39 AM

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Thanks! I am using 8 and 16x TY, normally not an issue cause i use iDVD 95% of the time, and I can knock it down to 2x or 4x in that program. Thanks for tip #1!

Also, I did know that you can just drag the HDV file into DVDSP. But I wasn't sure what to set it at for compressing. Should I just leave it at the default Bit Rates?

Thanks!

I just exchanged for a new Toshiba HD-A3 to see if I had a faulty unit.


David L
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Dec 4, 2007, 8:57 AM

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Thanks! I am using 8 and 16x TY, normally not an issue cause i use iDVD 95% of the time, and I can knock it down to 2x or 4x in that program. Thanks for tip #1! So are you using the iDVD for burning the DVDs but creating the DVD files in DVDSP?

Also, I did know that you can just drag the HDV file into DVDSP. But I wasn't sure what to set it at for compressing. Should I just leave it at the default Bit Rates? Not sure what you mean ... there shouldn't be any compressing, in FCP, go into the File menu, export, export to Quicktime movie, make sure current settings is selected and self-contained movie ... then once the QT movie is created, open DVDSP, make sure HD-DVD is selected in preferences, then import the QT movie into DVDSP, then drag the imported video and audio files to the track editor, do menus, and burn. I'm pretty sure that's all it takes. Of course, your project length is limited to about 25-30 minutes. If you need to put in more, maybe then you'd want to use compressor to squeeze it down.

Thanks!

I just exchanged for a new Toshiba HD-A3 to see if I had a faulty unit. Let us know how that goes.



jpivideo
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Dec 4, 2007, 1:09 PM

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"So are you using the iDVD for burning the DVDs but creating the DVD files in DVDSP?"

Sorry, I meant I usually do the whole shebangbang in iDVD, export QT files from FCP and use iDVD for everything. But for HD-DVD you have to use DVDSP.

As for the other part, if you skip compressor and go right to DVD SP, then DVDSP preps the files for DVD burning and compresses, and in the preferances there are sliders for the Bit Rates, plus if you want to do 1 pass, 2 pass VBR, stuff like that. But if you haven't adjusted that then the default is probably perfect!


David L
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Dec 5, 2007, 3:43 PM

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"So are you using the iDVD for burning the DVDs but creating the DVD files in DVDSP?"

Sorry, I meant I usually do the whole shebangbang in iDVD, export QT files from FCP and use iDVD for everything. But for HD-DVD you have to use DVDSP.

As for the other part, if you skip compressor and go right to DVD SP, then DVDSP preps the files for DVD burning and compresses, and in the preferances there are sliders for the Bit Rates, plus if you want to do 1 pass, 2 pass VBR, stuff like that. But if you haven't adjusted that then the default is probably perfect!


I may misunderstand the whole DVD creation process, but if you've already created the mpeg2 files (by exporting your HDV project from FCP to a Quicktime file), and you are importing them into DVDSP, then there is no need for further encoding. The mpeg2 file is authored onto the disc, not "encoded". I think the bit rate and VBR preferences you refer to are only used if DVDSP is doing the encoding to MPEG2, for instance, if you were importing an SD avi, and then encoding to mpeg2 ...


jpivideo
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Dec 7, 2007, 8:45 PM

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So I finally plugged in my new HD-A3, and same thing was happening with the discs I already created. A new thing I notice is that once I get to the third chapter, if I try to go back or forth a chapter it freezes and crashes the player. Also, I figured out how to write at a slower speed with DVD SP, and it still frooze.

Tomorrow I'll try just bringing the QT file right into DVDSP.

Do you think the fact that it's a first play HD-DVD with no menus could be creating a problem?


jpivideo
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Dec 7, 2007, 9:04 PM

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Well at least I know it's something I'm doing wrong now. A Videographer Friend of mine gave me an HD-DVD of a trip they shot, and I can't get the thing to freeze no matter how many times i skip around the chapters.


David L
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Dec 8, 2007, 5:53 AM

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Huh. What brand of media were they using, and what speed?

The HD-DVDs I've made have all been without menus or chapter points ... I'll try making one with just chapter points to see if I have a problem ...

Edit: I just made one, using HD-DVD files created through compressor (instead of simply making a QT file as I described above) and I put in chapter points ... burned on an 8X Verbatim disc ... works flawlessly in my Toshiba A2.
So what could be happening to you? Could the A3 have trouble? Could it be your media? Or even your burner?


(This post was edited by David L on Dec 8, 2007, 9:48 AM)


chucksav
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Dec 8, 2007, 7:46 AM

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Perhaps you should try other media, even though TY is generally considered the best. I've been using white printable Memorex 16x (yeah, yeah but hey, they work). Standard DVD menus & chapters, format & burn straight from DVDSP. NO problemo.


jpivideo
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Dec 8, 2007, 11:49 AM

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It feels like 2002 all over again, for me anyway I'm sure people were making DVDs before that. I may give other media a try, but at least I'm encouraged to see an HD-DVD made by another Mac User working on the Player I purchased. Plus, what I'm doing is for vanity only so while it's frustrating it's not gonna cost me money.