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Missing Functions in FCP: Scene Detect on Capture & Media Used Tally

 

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Ron Priest
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Nov 25, 2007, 5:57 PM

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I'm being told by a fairly reliable source that a well known (and much used) function in Premiere Pro is missing in FCP and that would be "Scene Detect" while capturing Is this true? Does FCP not begin capturing a new clip when you pause and retart recording your camera? This is a vital function, otherwise when you go to capture a tape it would capture 1 long clip. Please tell me it aint so!

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thatmdvideoguy
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Nov 25, 2007, 6:44 PM

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I don't use FCP6 yet, and normally capture clips separately. But, you can do what you want according to the manual (downloadable from Support at apple.com) in the following way:

"Automatically Creating Subclips Using DV Start/Stop Detection
If you are using a DV format (DV, DVCAM, DVCPRO, DVCPRO 50, or DVCPRO HD), you may be able to create subclips automatically from start/stop metadata that is embedded in video frames each time you stop and start the camcorder. This DV start/stop metadata is captured and stored in the media file. Final Cut Pro can identify the location of each start/stop marker (sometimes referred to as an embedded flag) to automatically place markers in a clip. These markers can then be used to create subclips. Note: DV start/stop metadata is not timecode. It is independent time-of-day metadata recorded within the video data of your footage. When the time-of-day information jumps dramatically from one shot to the next, Final Cut Pro recognizes that the shot has changed and can place a marker at that point in the clip.

To break a long DV clip into subclips based on starts and stops:
1 Capture a long clip from a DV tape containing several starts and stops. Note: If you’re capturing the contents of an entire DV tape, make sure that the “On timecode break” pop-up menu in the General tab of the User Preferences window is set to Make New Clip, to ensure that no timecode breaks are captured. For more information, see Volume IV, Chapter 23, “Choosing Settings and Preferences.”
2 Do one of the following: A Select the clip in the Browser. B Open the clip in the Viewer.
3 With the Viewer active, choose Mark > DV Start/Stop Detect.
Note: If you have any exceptionally long clips, you can break these up further by adding a few more markers manually. For more information, see Volume II, Chapter 4, “Using Markers.”
4 Switch the Browser to list view and locate the clip you were working on in the Viewer. For more information, see “Choosing Views in the Browser” on page 61.
5 Click the disclosure triangle to view the clip’s markers.
6 Drag in the Browser to select all the markers.
7 Choose Modify > Make Subclip. Note: If you gave your markers new names, your subclips will use them.
The subclips appear in addition to the original clip with the markers. You can rename the subclips, if you want. You can review the subclips, deleting any clips you might not need. If you do remove unused clips, you can use the Media Manager to remove your unused footage from disk, leaving the media for your remaining subclips alone."

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Ron Priest
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Nov 25, 2007, 6:58 PM

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Thanks Allan. I'll have to go find that download so I can start reading up on FCP.
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Nov 27, 2007, 11:34 AM

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Thanks Allan. I'll have to go find that download so I can start reading up on FCP.


Yikes! That description of start stop detect in FCP makes it sound so confusing! Its not. Select a clip > choose detect start stop > use the chunked up clips from the browser. Very simple.

Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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Ron Priest
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Nov 27, 2007, 1:06 PM

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Thanks Joel, that's refreshing! I just ordered my Mac, and I'm so excited!!
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Nov 28, 2007, 1:41 AM

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Select a clip > choose detect start stop > use the chunked up clips from the browser. Very simple.


That's pretty much what your "reliable" source told you. It doesn't do it on capture. However, you can break it down once it's in FC.





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gl
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Nov 28, 2007, 5:41 PM

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lol...I wonder who Ron's Mac Genius is? Wink


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Whitwell
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Nov 29, 2007, 1:31 AM

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In FCP 6:

Open Capture Window, go to "Clip Settings" tab. Select Box entitled, "Create New Clip on Start/Stop" In fact, I believe this is the default. You can set the in at the beginning of the tape and the out at the end. Batch Capture and you'll have clips for daze...

Best,

Whit



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Select a clip > choose detect start stop > use the chunked up clips from the browser. Very simple.


That's pretty much what your "reliable" source told you. It doesn't do it on capture. However, you can break it down once it's in FC.



Ron Priest
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Nov 29, 2007, 9:54 AM

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So, you can have it create clips based on the start and stop of the camera! That is good news! Thanks!
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MLiebergot
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Nov 29, 2007, 10:10 AM

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Yes you can create clips using scene dectect. But be aware that FCP is slowat detecting each time break on the tape.
At least compared to what Vegas does.

Also if you have long tape captures then you might be best logging and capturing your footage, as FCP, in the past, has been known to have sync problems using "Capture Now" and long tape captures.

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Ron Priest
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Nov 29, 2007, 10:14 AM

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Okay, well I'll keep that in mind next week when I get my box. Thanks Michael
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ivey
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Nov 29, 2007, 11:47 AM

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Would you mind explaining that again. I go to my capture window and click on clip settings and don't see that option anywhere. Is there something you need to change in preferances or something? Are you opening the capture window by selecting "Log and Capture"? I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing any box to select for "Creating new clips on start/stop" The only boxes I see are video, audio and preview.

I also went to the FCP help and typed in "Create new clips on Start/Stop" and it found 0 occurances.
What am I missing?





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Whitwell
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Nov 29, 2007, 12:27 PM

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Actually, Lisa, I apologize.
It's what I missed.


From FCP 4.5 and onward, in DV mode, you create subclips with scene detection - after capture.
With HDV, the default setting is for scene detect to occur - during capture.

Here is a link to a "screen" capture of the clip settings tab in HDV:

http://www.waleswedding.com/clipsettings.jpg

Sorry for the confusion!

Best,


Whit



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Would you mind explaining that again. I go to my capture window and click on clip settings and don't see that option anywhere. Is there something you need to change in preferances or something? Are you opening the capture window by selecting "Log and Capture"? I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing any box to select for "Creating new clips on start/stop" The only boxes I see are video, audio and preview.

I also went to the FCP help and typed in "Create new clips on Start/Stop" and it found 0 occurances.
What am I missing?



MLiebergot
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Nov 29, 2007, 2:08 PM

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Actually, Lisa, I apologize.
It's what I missed.


From FCP 4.5 and onward, in DV mode, you create subclips with scene detection - after capture.
With HDV, the default setting is for scene detect to occur - during capture.

Here is a link to a "screen" capture of the clip settings tab in HDV:

http://www.waleswedding.com/clipsettings.jpg

Sorry for the confusion!

Actually FCP will do scene detect while capturing DV footage (I did this the other night) while using "Capture Now".
But as I said it was very slow in doing so. As it took anywhere from 30 seconds—1 minute to check for scene breaks and cue up accordingly.

I would like to know how I can capture and entire tape using "Capture Now" without having it do scene detect.
Then I can create subclips from the FCP browser instead. This would be much quicker fo me.

Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin?

Michael

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Whitwell
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Nov 29, 2007, 10:07 PM

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Exactly.

The "extended capture" works like a champ.
Make sure you Deselect "Abort Capture on Dropped Frames" in User Preference.

Then, as you suggest, run "create subclips" - Page 285 in the .pdf Help.

Best,

Whit



Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin?



MLiebergot
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Nov 29, 2007, 10:16 PM

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Exactly what?

Is this the correct procedure (below) that you were saying "exactly" about?

"Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin? "


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Exactly.

The "extended capture" works like a champ.
Make sure you Deselect "Abort Capture on Dropped Frames" in User Preference.

Then, as you suggest, run "create subclips" - Page 285 in the .pdf Help.

Best,

Whit



Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin?



Michael

Cameras: I do use them.
Audio: Yes, it does come with audio if you like.
Software: I am learning...
Support: I need all that i can get.
Computer: MAC BABY!


Whitwell
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Nov 29, 2007, 10:25 PM

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Is this the correct procedure (below) that you were saying "exactly" about?


YEsLaugh
Sorry I was not clear...



"Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin? "


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Exactly.

The "extended capture" works like a champ.
Make sure you Deselect "Abort Capture on Dropped Frames" in User Preference.

Then, as you suggest, run "create subclips" - Page 285 in the .pdf Help.

Best,

Whit



Would I place an "in" at the beginning of the tape and and "out" and the end, and run "Batch" or "Clip" capture?
Then run "create subclips" and rename accordingly from the FCP media bin?





Joel
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Dec 1, 2007, 2:29 PM

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Hi Whit,

Just wanted to say 'welcome' and thank you for contributing. I enjoy your work and am envious of the locations at which you're able to shoot.

Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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Whitwell
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Dec 3, 2007, 1:21 PM

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Joel,

You caught me outside my general "lurking" mode!

Thanks for your kind words.
I think my wife would be more envious if I shot closer to homeSly

Going to Orlando?

If so, hope to see you there.

Best,

Whit



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Hi Whit,

Just wanted to say 'welcome' and thank you for contributing. I enjoy your work and am envious of the locations at which you're able to shoot.



Ron Priest
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Dec 12, 2007, 12:00 PM

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Okay, so I accomplished my first try at creating subclips using DV Start/Stop detection. I thought that was pretty cool how it created segments using markers where the camera had stopped and started. And that was pretty slick how it created the subclips, however I don't like the way it named the subclips.

For example, if the name of the original clip is "Ceremony - Back Cam" it names the subclips "Segment 1 from 'Ceremony - Back Cam' and "Segment 2 from 'Ceremony - Back Cam' I would rather see it name the subclips "Ceremony - Back Cam Segment 001" This way all of the subclips would stay listed in numerical order below the original clip. I realize I can rename the subclips after they are created, and if there are only a couple, then it's no big deal, but what if they are 50 or 200 subclips? That could be time consuming.
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Whitwell
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Dec 12, 2007, 10:24 PM

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Ron,

Try taking your subclips and put them in a Bin/Folder.

The Shortcut is: Open Apple/B and then drag the clips in. Name the folder to suit.

Double click on folder. You have been asking FCP to sort your clips by name. You can also sort by other options, ie: Media Start. If you drag the bottom right of your folder, the column for "Media Start" should appear. You can actually drag the heading left so that the information will be more accessible to you. Once you select the "media start" heading, the clips will sort by time upwards or downwards in sequence - your call. Hope this is helpful.

Best,

Whit


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Okay, so I accomplished my first try at creating subclips using DV Start/Stop detection. I thought that was pretty cool how it created segments using markers where the camera had stopped and started. And that was pretty slick how it created the subclips, however I don't like the way it named the subclips.

For example, if the name of the original clip is "Ceremony - Back Cam" it names the subclips "Segment 1 from 'Ceremony - Back Cam' and "Segment 2 from 'Ceremony - Back Cam' I would rather see it name the subclips "Ceremony - Back Cam Segment 001" This way all of the subclips would stay listed in numerical order below the original clip. I realize I can rename the subclips after they are created, and if there are only a couple, then it's no big deal, but what if they are 50 or 200 subclips? That could be time consuming.



Ron Priest
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Hi Whit

That's a good suggestion, thank for the tip. Maybe you can help me with another function that appears to be missing in FCP which I have become so accustom to in Premiere Pro, and have grown to depend upon immensely. That would be a clip property known as Video Used and another called Audio Used. These two properties keep track of the number of times a clip has been used in sequences. I understand FCP doesn't have that function. Are there any FCP functions similar in nature? It's really useful to know at a glance if a clip has been used already.
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Whitwell
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Ron,

Agreed.
Even in the earliest incarnations of Premiere - this was a feature!
Yet, here we are approaching 2008 and...

Typically, in my workflow I create a Bin/Folder called Used Clips and over the course of time I drag them over...

You can also drag your cursor to select clips in a bin and then control click those selected clips. When you do so, you will see a series of options including "Label" (down towards the bottom.) Choose a color and those clips selected will be tinted; you may then recognize by the color coding, how/how many times they have been used.

Not ideal, but there it is...

Best,

Whit

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Hi Whit

That's a good suggestion, thank for the tip. Maybe you can help me with another function that appears to be missing in FCP which I have become so accustom to in Premiere Pro, and have grown to depend upon immensely. That would be a clip property known as Video Used and another called Audio Used. These two properties keep track of the number of times a clip has been used in sequences. I understand FCP doesn't have that function. Are there any FCP functions similar in nature? It's really useful to know at a glance if a clip has been used already.



Ron Priest
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Ron,

...Choose a color and those clips selected will be tinted; you may then recognize by the color coding, how/how many times they have been used.

Not ideal, but there it is...

Best,

Whit

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Okay, that's an idea, I can see making the clip a color if it's been used, but how does that tell you the number of times they've been used?
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Dec 13, 2007, 8:51 AM

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I don't know your workflow and how important it is for you to know how many times you have used a clip. But, essentially, it's control-select-label a clip in the browser just after you have dragged it into the canvas/timeline - be it once, twice, however many times. You identify this by setting your own code: Red = Once. Green = Twice. Amber = Three times. Etc. Etc.

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Best,

Whit

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Ron,

...Choose a color and those clips selected will be tinted; you may then recognize by the color coding, how/how many times they have been used.

Not ideal, but there it is...

Best,

Whit

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Okay, that's an idea, I can see making the clip a color if it's been used, but how does that tell you the number of times they've been used?


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